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Old 04-05-2012, 05:25 PM   #1
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I know there aren't many, but this is one I hadn't considered: They take a LOT of shit for being ok with gay people.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...ti-gay-letters
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Bioware and Maxis not EA as a whole...


And Bioware's attitude to LGBT issues predates their buyout by EA.

There was a same sex marriage in Fallout 2 (Interplay)

Vampire the Masquerade:Blooflines featured a lot of same sex flirting. (Troika/activision)

Fable 2, full of gay NPCs, (lionhead)

Skyrim allows for same sex marriage (bestheda).

This is just a few off the top of my head, so no, EA aren't special champions of LGBT gaming.

They are however a bunch of cunts with ridiculously intrusive DRM.
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I used to work for 'em.
They don't really care about the gays, their main focus is on dinero.
And homophobes aren't really the biggest spenders on games, so...
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And besides, EA has enough on its hands after winning the Golden Poo. The reaction from all sides has been gut-busting hilarious.
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Bioware and Maxis not EA as a whole...


And Bioware's attitude to LGBT issues predates their buyout by EA.

There was a same sex marriage in Fallout 2 (Interplay)

Vampire the Masquerade:Blooflines featured a lot of same sex flirting. (Troika/activision)

Fable 2, full of gay NPCs, (lionhead)

Skyrim allows for same sex marriage (bestheda).

This is just a few off the top of my head, so no, EA aren't special champions of LGBT gaming.

They are however a bunch of cunts with ridiculously intrusive DRM.
And as a company they could have reversed the decisions of their subsidiaries and done what Wal-Mart does insofar as making PG the norm from which they do not deviate. Corporations are people, and this person has not done what many other people have done - buckled to pressure from hate groups to change. I respect that because I know they don't have to. They could have easily modded any of those games to not allow the gayness. They could have set an anti-gay policy in their organization. They didn't. As I said; they aren't all good. Nothing's all good. Even you. Even me. I respect THIS good about this person/corporation.

Do you notice how you've given the negative to EA and the positive to their subsidiaries? Didn't Bethesda make the DRM decision? Just a thought - I would expect consitency throughout. If you give credit to companies like Lionhead for gay marriage, shouldn't they also receive the negative for their DRM?
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I used to work for 'em.
They don't really care about the gays, their main focus is on dinero.
And homophobes aren't really the biggest spenders on games, so...
So, what? You're saying they care about money, gays don't spend money on games, and thus their stance should be different. But ... see how this doesn't add up? If their main focus was on money they would cater to the religious zealots who use Halo to encourage young people into church attendance.

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Homophobes don't spend that much, you're right, but that just means they're an untapped market. Like I said: Halo is used to bring the young ones into church.
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The kind of game that queer hating Walmart shoppers buy generally start with the words "Big game hunting" then end in words like "Extreme Walrus edition."

While I'm sure there is room for romance in the subplot of those games I.e. player getting raped by elk, I don't really see the developers catering to it.
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And as a company they could have reversed the decisions of their subsidiaries and done what Wal-Mart does insofar as making PG the norm from which they do not deviate. Corporations are people, and this person has not done what many other people have done - buckled to pressure from hate groups to change. I respect that because I know they don't have to. They could have easily modded any of those games to not allow the gayness. They could have set an anti-gay policy in their organization. They didn't. As I said; they aren't all good. Nothing's all good. Even you. Even me. I respect THIS good about this person/corporation.

Do you notice how you've given the negative to EA and the positive to their subsidiaries? Didn't Bethesda make the DRM decision? Just a thought - I would expect consitency throughout. If you give credit to companies like Lionhead for gay marriage, shouldn't they also receive the negative for their DRM?
No, The publisher is responsible for DRM, not the developer.

Further, NO one has as restrictive a DRM as EA, limits to installations on your own hardware, and now with Origin, (which farms data on EVERYTHING you install, from anywhere), if you don't play a game for 2 years, your license to play it id revoked..

Yes, you paid for it, but if you don't play it for 2 years, you suddenly cant play it again without repurchasing.

Further...

Show me the hordes of game companies deleting gay content from games that make EA such a paragon..

Oh yeah, they aren't there.

EXCEPT FOR EA THEMSELVES, who removed same sex romances from ME2 before release (there are redundant files in ME2 that show this was the case), and they only introduced it in ME3 because of the outcry over it being cut in ME2
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Digital Rights Management. And I fell for the desire to state the obvious (imo)
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What's "DRM"?
DRM is often obtrusive software installed along with the product that is an attempt to stop pirates from making copies of the game and distributing them.

In the early days of gaming DRM was simple "Go to XYZ page in the manual, second line and type in the third word of the sentence". This practice stopped due to home photocopiers getting really good.

These days it tends to be more intrusive. For instance after installing a Sony title a few years ago it decided to magically zerg my CD rom and make it so I couldn't burn CD's. Needless to say I 'Fixed' it eventually.

Newer DRM's assume you are always connected to the internet. If you disconnect: The game keels over and dies. If the game company shuts down the games servers.... you can never play the game again.

The more recent DRM's really fuck over the person who buys the product. Meanwhile the people who write DRM are often just a few coders working for XYZ company, and they are often working against well... an entire planet of coders who see it as their mission to fuck that DRM right up the ass and then pirate the game.

What does this mean? The person who pirates the game actually gets a better game experience than the person who buys it.

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Sidebar: I don't pirate games unless they have gotten really hard (Impossible) to get ahold of.

Since GOG.com came about that is getting rarer and rarer.
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The kind of game that queer hating Walmart shoppers buy generally start with the words "Big game hunting" then end in words like "Extreme Walrus edition."
I just finished searching for "Big Game Hunting: Extreme Walrus Edition" on Steam, and it's not there.

I haz a sad.
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I just finished searching for "Big Game Hunting: Extreme Walrus Edition" on Steam, and it's not there.

I haz a sad.
They aren't releasing it till the "Elk Rape DLC" is completed. It's a pre-order bonus :V
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What kind of sad individual buys a sci-fi action game hoping for a romantic relationship simulator? And how could anyone complain when such a scene is removed from such a game before release? "Well hell, I was really hoping for incredibly lame computer-game-coder-written romantic dialogue choices this time; I feel so cheated..."
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What kind of sad individual buys a sci-fi action game hoping for a romantic relationship simulator? And how could anyone complain when such a scene is removed from such a game before release? "Well hell, I was really hoping for incredibly lame computer-game-coder-written romantic dialogue choices this time; I feel so cheated..."
Going by the sales figures for the mass effect franchise a fuckton of people.

But let me clear up a few misconceptions you seem to have.

Mass Effect is not a "sci fi action game" sure it has combat in it in places, but thats not all it's about...

It's a series of role playing games, and you spend more time in dialogue and reading log entries and what have you than you do fighting.

In fact in the original Mass Effect there were long portions of the game (especially on the citadel) where all you did was wander about and talk to people.

Also, did you ever watch Star Trek, or Babylon 5.

These shows are pretty much the mould for Mass Effect, and both these shows featured romances, in fact the romance between Sheridan and Delen was central to B5, as much as the Shadow War was.

In Mass Effect the whole romance angle was optional, but jesus fuck, don't you think, from a story telling viewpoint Shepard deserved to get his nuts before rushing headlong into a suicide mission?

Now "What kind of person wants an RPG where their character is fully fleshed out?" should have been your question, and going by the sales figures of the mass effect franchise, it looks like the answer is most people who play RPGs.
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Thanks for the explanation. Now I know why I resent Civilization 5 now. I have to connect to Steam to play it, which is highly irritating.
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Thanks for the explanation. Now I know why I resent Civilization 5 now. I have to connect to Steam to play it, which is highly irritating.
OK..

theres an issue with steam that's easily fixed.

YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ONLINE.

If however you have a home network, it confuses steam, and it won't boot up.

It gets caught in a loop where it tries to download an update, then it refuses to restart in offline mode.

You hix this by disconnecting your machine entirely from your home network, and it steam should run fine in offline mode.
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Thanks for the explanation. Now I know why I resent Civilization 5 now. I have to connect to Steam to play it, which is highly irritating.
If you don't mind my asking, why is that irritating? Just curious.
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If you don't mind my asking, why is that irritating? Just curious.
I can't speak for Oryx, but being unable to play steam games while my internet was down was a bitch...

I found the solution online when I got back on however.
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I can't speak for Oryx, but being unable to play steam games while my internet was down was a bitch...

I found the solution online when I got back on however.
I don't have any single-player games on Steam ... but I'd find that annoying as well, since I've had crap access for the last week. :/
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In Mass Effect the whole romance angle was optional, but jesus fuck, don't you think, from a story telling viewpoint Shepard deserved to get his nuts before rushing headlong into a suicide mission?

Now "What kind of person wants an RPG where their character is fully fleshed out?" should have been your question, and going by the sales figures of the mass effect franchise, it looks like the answer is most people who play RPGs.
Blah blah. I got no problem with romantic subplots as long as they're done like in the KOTOR games, with mostly sidelong references and generally exploited for humorous effect and/or ironic one-liners. "Serious romance" - in a video game? Ugh. It's okay to watch a show or read a book with romance in it; but roleplaying it?

I remember this one game I borrowed and tried playing for PS2 called Metal Gear Solid 3. I didn't finish it. I started it - I got to play, actually play, for about 3 minutes while I got some bag down from a tree. And then there was a "radio call from headquarters" where the PC had some kind of dark-past-sexual-tension-loaded conversation with his female team leader or something that just went on forever. I listened at first - really listened, because I appreciate games with deep and epic (in the literal sense) plots, and I like to know all the details. But I gave up after what I seem to remember must've been like 20 minutes of this BS conversation with no apparent point whatsoever. The game should've been called Metal Gear Solid Exposition 3. It's thus far in fact the only game I've ever borrowed that I returned without finishing AFIAR.
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If you don't mind my asking, why is that irritating? Just curious.
I think it's because every time I connected to Steam, it would just sit, and sit, and sit, and after 10 minutes of screens flashing up and down and the computer acting like it just couldn't handle life, I would give up. Very boggy. Maybe Luc's suggestion will help. I hope so, because I've only played my own damned game once since I bought it over 6 months ago. Very frustrating.
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I think it's because every time I connected to Steam, it would just sit, and sit, and sit, and after 10 minutes of screens flashing up and down and the computer acting like it just couldn't handle life, I would give up. Very boggy. Maybe Luc's suggestion will help. I hope so, because I've only played my own damned game once since I bought it over 6 months ago. Very frustrating.
Wow, that sounds like the exact opposite of my experience. Steam has been practically unobtrusive, and I often forget it's even running. I wonder if there isn't something else in the mix giving you issues.
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Yeah, I hate to say it but Steam is so ubiquitous and I've seen it function on so many PC's, some that even ranked as being clinically retarded PC's that if you are having a steam problem: It's not a steam problem. It's a "Your PC is shit up with something" problem.

For the record steam pulls a lot of it's wrappers from IE settings. If you've let your IE get dicked and virused and barred up: You gonna have problems.
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Blah blah. I got no problem with romantic subplots as long as they're done like in the KOTOR games, with mostly sidelong references and generally exploited for humorous effect and/or ironic one-liners. "Serious romance" - in a video game? Ugh. It's okay to watch a show or read a book with romance in it; but roleplaying it?
That's how all ME references are. Blah blah blah engineroom, blah blah blah do you like me check yes no blah blah alien sex scene ~fin~.

You don't have to chase the thing down or anything.
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The only thing I ever use IE for is access to the federal bankruptcy court's online filing system. They won't let me use Mozilla for that. Other than that, it's been years since I even turned IE on.

When I run Steam, it has a tendency to go very slowly or simply lock up. This PC isn't exactly the best one on the market, but it's not terrible, either. I run Spybot and Avast and scan pretty regularly.
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What about on Mac OSs?
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The only thing I ever use IE for is access to the federal bankruptcy court's online filing system. They won't let me use Mozilla for that. Other than that, it's been years since I even turned IE on.

When I run Steam, it has a tendency to go very slowly or simply lock up. This PC isn't exactly the best one on the market, but it's not terrible, either. I run Spybot and Avast and scan pretty regularly.
Bet its trying to load media. Update all media players on the PC.
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Whether it works or not is meh. I'm just ticked at having to register online in order for a game I bought in the store or by mail to even work.

Has anyone bothered to check and see how long you can stay on "Offline Mode" before your Steam games stop working unless you let it log in again?
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EA getting support on petition ... from spambots.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...d-by-spambots/

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spambots have been used to inflate the signatures on the Allout.org anti-boycott petition we discussed yesterday, which defends EA against right-wing boycott artists
The article notes that it hasn't been proven that EA is actually behind the spambots (though they do remind us of a past incident where EA was found to have staged a protest).


Folks on Reddit are theorizing that EA is gearing up for a campaign that will claim their horrible reputation is simply a smear campaign by anti-gay activists who hate EA's pro-gay stance. (Yeeeeaaaah. That's not why *I* hate EA, that's for sure.)





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