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Old 06-24-2010, 10:39 PM   #81
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Oh crap...this means I have one less friend on my Avatars United account...that I last checked a couple days after I friended M
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Partly it's that although we know it's moonshine and fairy dust we are willing to accept that from Philip; since businesses are affected by people's moods to a great degree, SL may pull out of a nosedive in part because of Philip's glamour and its effect.
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When a 1/3rd of the company is let go and the CEO resigns/is fired the end is near. I can't think of a single example of a company in this situation that wasn't in drastic trouble.

My guess is /some/ chicken came home to roost that sealed the company as not viable. Investors pulling funds or more likely cashing out.

It's just not good at all. I can't think of any company that came back from something like this.
Not too familiar with the tech sector huh? Almost every major manufacturer (IBM most notably does this roughly every 3 years or so) has done this, and most hosting companies have done this in the last two.
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I'm under the impression that Carly--seemingly all by herself--put HP on the ropes, then performed the cuts that that necessitated. Women execs are often brought in as a desperation move by Boards, at the last moment, thus making it that no man's reputation might be sullied if things go bust. Not so with Carly, she bollixed things all by herself.
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No, HP was in trouble without her. The purchase of Compaq made no sense. She wasn't competent but she was not solely to blame
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As a consumer, in my eyes the brand has definitely changed for the better recently. I actually like my HP PC. Now when it comes to servers I prefer Dell/IBM.
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As a consumer, in my eyes the brand has definitely changed for the better recently. I actually like my HP PC. Now when it comes to servers I prefer Dell/IBM.
My daughter purchased an HP. She hated it. It never lived up to the hype.
It was hard to upgrade. Open the case, it looked like the engineer was on LSD.

I will stick to HP Printers they do very well with those.
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As a consumer, in my eyes the brand has definitely changed for the better recently. I actually like my HP PC. Now when it comes to servers I prefer Dell/IBM.
My daughter purchased an HP. She hated it. It never lived up to the hype.
It was hard to upgrade. Open the case, it looked like the engineer was on LSD.

I will stick to HP Printers they do very well with those.
I should probably note that I removed most of the internal structure (all that media bay shit no one uses.) to make room for a large video card. I meant I was pleased overall with it from an operational standpoint. Case design and build can never match home built.
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I actually read this thread omg. Lots of good points and relevant opinions. Well done everyone.


I fear what I am going to say is not that original a point of view but if anyone cares to hear it, here it is.

Phililip is a pretty poster boy who is more an idea guy rather than a project manager. He is good with people and one to one relations buts sucks at communicating mission critical information. He is the winner of the linden idol contest but like the American idol winners his album is likely to flop. Liking someone and having them be a good project manager are two different things.

More than likely good project managers are actually not well liked but respected. M Linden in my head fit the criterion of the good project manager. And the platform is orders of magnitude more stable than it was in 2007 . Change management is very well done now. Disaster aversion and mitigation is done much better. They also tried some new tngs like the linden hones, providing a controlled shopping experience, a socai l networking portal in addition to trying a new viewer. The viewer was badly received by the content authors who are very vocal while it was well received by content consumers who outnumber the authors but don't care to kick and scream.

It is true that the viewer two has some pretty bad user interface mistakes but it also represents a good step in the rightt direction in terms of moving away from the client being an authoring tool to a client that is meant for users -- the majority.

I eonder if plip would be as well received if he had come on bored and be the person firing 30% of the staff.

Our mistake as a community is, we mix our feelings with business we expect things like someone to log into SL on a regularar basis for them to be a good Linden Lab employee. We hold grudges, we kick and scream, we buy into the linden bullshit about how we are reside ts and we have a say. When your bank tells you your business matters to them do you expect to show up to the monthly board of directors meetings.? Hardly. It is fascinating how we expect same things with Linden Lab.

On one hand it is a testament to the brand, the alluring nature of what Linden Lab has been able to create -- a world people feel vested in. Kudos to that.

Philip coming back can be a good thing. If he learned anything from his absence.

If he is back to ruin the code change management, stability of the platform and keep making dog gone it stupid decisions and then selling them to us on. Silver platter than oh boy we are in for Rough ride.

As for M linden, i do not envy his position. He was a set to fail. He is the Obama of SL.... Yes he is. Acorporate jerk, a cold business man, a nonBS guy --- these things do not appeal to masses but they sure help in getting a product stble and working once again. Too bad al of this did not happen back in 2007 when it all actually mattered.

The stability of SL came too let, it missed the media blitz, the hype, and the masas interest. SL makes everyone smirk when i bring it up in professional or social circles - it makes them check put pf the conversation while I tell them about SL. Why? Because SL fucked it up back in 2006 - 2007.

One thing I must admit about M linden's tenure that i did not like is how everything turned to be punishable by some fee or tax or some other financial crap. This administration made prims more valuable than they were when we had a thousand sims. They made residents move out, they made estates crash down with expenses, they made businesses like mine go belly up due to all the double triple dipping they did with fees.

All the linden drama of the past years translated to bad business and we all suffered, many good stores closed down.

Where do we go from here? I don't know. I am once again at the verge of closing my store, i seem to hit this point every summer....

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As for M linden, i do not envy his position. He was a set to fail. He is the Obama of SL.... Yes he is. Acorporate jerk, a cold business man, a nonBS guy --- these things do not appeal to masses but they sure help in getting a product stble and working once again. Too bad al of this did not happen back in 2007 when it all actually mattered.
You think he could fix the oil leak in the gulf?

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M Linden in my head fit the criterion of the good project manager.
M didn't understand SL.
Philip handed over LL in good working order, and M proceeded to squander money and customer good will whilst doing a goose-that-laid-the-golden-eggs thing with SL.

LL should provide a stable platform, and should not compete with its customers.
They were making money from land and from the Lindex, but instead of seeing that they needed to be satisfied with those aspects of SL they expanded their grasp. The platform is unstable and they are horning in on everything to such a degree that people are leaving.
If they had just let the population grow, rl businesses would've been attracted eventually.

Philip had a rather eccentric management style, and there's no telling what will happen now, but M was worse. I hope Philip chooses a successor who is competent this time.

In part it was too soon to force the big business decisions, but in another way SL needs nurturing as a place, a place requiring continuity, ritual, repetition. It is selling it short to force things upon it for the sake of business.

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There's a translation between LL and SL that isn't working at all, since the two identities are mixed up together. LL needs to be a company concerned with staying afloat in a harsh economy, but it would be more useful to customers if SL had some placeness to it, and wasn't just LL with a sheepskin tied on its back.

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There should be great deliberation in altering the world's rules and laws since that's what people build their plans upon. There should also be care taken in the way LL interfaces with its customers, in particular that the messages should not conflict and forward-facing LL employees who, after all, are part of the placeness, part of SL to us, should not be part of cost-cutting layoffs. The good will and relationships they have built up are part of SL, not LL, and if LL doesn't value those - then it needs to make a buffer government or something, as it doesn't understand its customers needs. Right now everything is jumbled up and it's no wonder there is confusion.

Blood-Brain Barrier
I can see it work if there were a forward-facing cadre of people interacting between LL and SL's customers, but only if they have some degree of independence - a blood-brain barrier. Maybe they'd be paid according to Supply Linden's financial success, or something, like base pay but automatic bonuses when Supply made above X.

Another thing: that entire agility concept as applied to business is the opposite of what is needed to foster placeness - it's the opposite of what SL requires. Placeness is fostered by ritual, deliberation, repetition, value built over time, growth over time. Agility says you can lay off one-third of your employees, that it's us versus them, instantaneous change, I'm-all-right-Jack. Agility is fine for LL if it can keep its identity separate from that of SL, but it has never done that.
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I can't go back and read the thread portions I missed because of environmental factors, but if nobody posted this before, I just did it now. If someone already did, then I did it again.
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BTW... sorry about all the pseudo typos. I was typing all of that after lunch on my ipad in a cafe and anyone who got their hands on an ipad knows, the typing sucks ass and not in the good exhilarating way....
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One more Clarification:
When I said, double triple dipping in terms of charges, I meant that I do not understand why I have to pay a premium account fee, on top of a full island fee, and classifieds fee, and parcel fee, and xstreet posting fee, and sl exchange market fee, and paypal fee and fee fee and your ass is not cute enough fee.

These people are worse than the phone company and cable company combined.... they are pure evil and STILL losing money. What are they doing over there in the LL offices? Handing out free tubs of elbow grease and giant butt plugs? Where is our money going???

LOL

And I know the answer to that question: Free account holders from Brazil who are setting up night clubs in my sandbox when I am not looking. That's where our money is going as content creators. We are funding the frolicking of thousands of free loaders with the money we generate.
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Really? That reminds me of Madagascar's traveling night club. We'd be rocking out on dance balls while crossing a sim, then next thing you know, SIM CROSSING! CRASH! and everyone would go flying. TP back, rinse, repeat
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Really? That reminds me of Madagascar's traveling night club. We'd be rocking out on dance balls while crossing a sim, then next thing you know, SIM CROSSING! CRASH! and everyone would go flying. TP back, rinse, repeat
now I would dig that.... but don't tell anyone... shhhhh....
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I openly admit - I have a geekcrush on him.

Crazy eyes or no, I'd get on a pose ball with him.
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