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Old 06-24-2010, 12:20 PM   #1
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Mark Kingdon is going to step down as CEO, and I am going to return as interim CEO, working side-by-side with former CFO Bob Komin, who is being promoted to COO.

This is a big, tough change but one the board of directors and management team deeply believes in.  We owe Mark great thanks for the many things we've accomplished in these last two years -- most notably a great improvement in the stability of Second Life, and also the hiring and nurturing of a strong team of new leaders who are now ready to do some amazing work together.

Our thinking as a team is that my returning to the CEO job now can bring a product and technology focus that will help rapidly improve Second Life.  We need to simplify and focus our product priorities -- concentrating all our capabilities on making Second Life easier to use and better for the core experiences that it is delivering today.  I think that I can be a great help and a strong leader in that process. 

It is an honor to have a chance to help more directly again, and I come to this mission with energy, excitement, and an open mind about what we need and how we need to do it.  I want to see Second Life continue to grow, amaze, and change the world.  It's what gets me up in the morning.  Despite the challenges of such a big change, I am happy to be drafting this blog post while sitting in our San Francisco office, surrounded by the many Lindens who have made it all possible.

More to come, as soon as we all get settled and figure out how best to work together!





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This is probably the best news SL users have gotten in years.
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Impress me. Rehire Blue.
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I don't see why this is good. I don't see where its bad either. Actually I can't see where it makes a difference either way at this point.

I'm fairly certain M didn't get booted for laying off 1/3 of the staff and, as a matter of fact, it wouldn't take much to convince me that M being the bad guy and laying off the staff and then Philip coming back to "save the day" wasn't completely preplanned.

I wouldn't hold my breath looking for Philip to rehire the laid off peeps.
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I don't see why this is good. I don't see where its bad either. Actually I can't see where it makes a difference either way at this point.

I'm fairly certain M didn't get booted for laying off 1/3 of the staff and, as a matter of fact, it wouldn't take much to convince me that M being the bad guy and laying off the staff and then Philip coming back to "save the day" wasn't completely preplanned.

I wouldn't hold my breath looking for Philip to rehire the laid off peeps.
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I don't see why this is good. I don't see where its bad either. Actually I can't see where it makes a difference either way at this point.

I'm fairly certain M didn't get booted for laying off 1/3 of the staff and, as a matter of fact, it wouldn't take much to convince me that M being the bad guy and laying off the staff and then Philip coming back to "save the day" wasn't completely preplanned.

I wouldn't hold my breath looking for Philip to rehire the laid off peeps.
Fairly certain this is what Jorus was saying.
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I am still not convinced laying off all those people was the act of a desperate company, more of a rational decision based on they really did have a bloated payroll.
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I don't see why this is good. I don't see where its bad either. Actually I can't see where it makes a difference either way at this point.

I'm fairly certain M didn't get booted for laying off 1/3 of the staff and, as a matter of fact, it wouldn't take much to convince me that M being the bad guy and laying off the staff and then Philip coming back to "save the day" wasn't completely preplanned.

I wouldn't hold my breath looking for Philip to rehire the laid off peeps.


I see it as good, because you can hire all the Wall Street bean counters in the world who know all the right things when it comes to balance sheets and etc. With out a soul, you are doomed. Philip love or hate him. is the creative soul behind Second Life. With out his direct input and creative energy this is a dead horse

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Impress me. Rehire Blue.
And Pathfinder.
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I am still not convinced laying off all those people was the act of a desperate company, more of a rational decision based on they really did have a bloated payroll.
And a bloated payroll in the current economy. People tend to look at SL things as if they existed in a vacuum, I think.

Not only is SL no longer the new kid on the block, but the economy doesn't lend itself to people - or companies - wanting to spend much on online games.

They expanded when the gettin was good, and then - wham, the economy hits the skids. Now it's time to un-expand.
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I unfortunately never met pathfinder, but I spent a lot of time with Blue in his after hours vocation as a troll rogue named Blootoof. He enchanted my pants.

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Quite possibly my very favorite moment in my entire SL existence was the first night of SLCC 2006 when I was out on a deck overlooking San Francisco Bay and was accosted by a slightly inebriated Pathfinder, who went on and on about how much he loved the Metaverse Messenger. It was a totally fanboi moment, and I was shocked because HE was one of the people in SL that I greatly looked up to.

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I have not met very many Lindens but Pathfinder came to the opening party for an exhibition in my gallery. He stayed for an hour and chatted and friended me which I completely did not expect. Cool guy.
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I unfortunately never met pathfinder, but I spent a lot of time with Blue in his after hours vocation as a troll rogue named Blootoof. He enchanted my pants.

I was very fortunate to work briefly with Pathfinder during one of the edu events. When he and I were both stranded on the edu sim we were setting up due to SL Grid Instability and TP Borkage, we chatted for a time and he had no compunction regarding voicing his own discontent with Grid Instability. Very funny bloke actually, and missed.

Blue, Babbage and Pathfinder -- 'twould be nice if they were re-hired.
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(Warning: having re-read this, I fear I may have slipped from "commentary" to "rant". )

Vision is nice and all, but doesn't it have to be the right vision?

I'm happy to admit to being overly cautious in my outlook on things, but I don't think we'll ever have a "3D Web". I mean, don't get me wrong, we'll certainly have 3D experiences over the Web, but I don't think it will replace good ol 2D as the web lingua franca. Yes, yes, it looks very cool, and allows SF films to immediately say "Hey, this is the 23rd century!" when the protagonist reaches out to "open" a 3D virtual filing-cabinet and rumble through its virtual contents, but who would want to work every day in such an environment? Its not efficient, over the long-haul it would drive one crazy.

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I think "why does SL have to change the world?". Yes, of course one would like one's work to have that sort of impact, but if that's not realistic (and I don't think it is), what's wrong with doing something that is valued by "only" single-digit-millions of people?

As much as those involved like to spruke it, SL has not revolutionised the education or business worlds, mostly because it doesn't add (or indeed, have the same) value as other options that are already available (eg., WebCam plus synchronised PCs running PowerPoint, etc, beats SL business meetings hands-down).

You can't be a "promising" technology forever. And I don't think that SL deserves that (damning) label, I think there are areas where it has demonstrably succeeded, they're simply not areas that are going to win Phil a Nobel prize or gazillions of dollars. Hundreds of thousands of people routinely put up with all sorts of technical limitations (that they wouldn't tolerate for a moment in a "game") in order to participate in SL. Why? Some might argue its the social element, and I think that is fair, but needs to be unpacked a little. I mean, you can be as social as you like on Facebook, so why would you need SL? My answer is hardly original: its the capability for self-expression that SL provides. You see it in the effort that people put into their avatars, their homes, their art installations, etc, etc. My conjecture is that its this self-expression that drives everything else, for example it creates a demand for fashion which supports content-creators who turn around and invest in land and hence tier for LL.

This capability for self-expression (together with, rather paradoxically, the technical limitations) has another impact on social interaction - it filters those who wish to participate in SL. You have to be open-minded (or at least not completely close-minded ) to survive in SL, and this should be a "selling point" for SL, because "self-expression" does not end with the creation of the AV, but continues from that starting-point to the interactions one has with other residents. SL offers the technical ability to represent oneself as, for example only, a furry, but that capability would have so much less value if 90% of the SL population refused to interact with furries because they were "too weird" or something.

Yes, I admit it, I'm an elitist. I think an "interesting people" filter has value.

So, what should LL do? Give up the plans for world-domination. Take solace that being an important part of millions of peoples lives is actually something special. Let the education and business markets look after themselves, concentrate on the only demographic that has stuck with you thus far. Don't bother making SL "easier to use" - the people who are turned off by the current level of difficulty (which is hardly rocket-science in the first place) will also, largely, not put up with the technical limitations (including engine appearance/performance). Its not a question of "if" you lose such people, but "when". Work towards stabilising the current SL v1. Announce a "SL v2", and plan its specifications with your current customer-base. Don't constrain v2 by backward compatibility with v1 - your core customers will put up with a painful transition if they can see (and believe in) the benefits that are aimed for. Work slowly, methodically towards v2, releasing alpha-level prototypes for comment as you go.
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Mine too. Pretty profoundly in fact.

Very well said Cale.
In re personal expression I think you hit the nail right on.
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Mine too. Pretty profoundly in fact.
Not sure if this will help or not, but here goes ....

I wasn't trying to argue that people are not affected by SL, profoundly so sometimes. Their world may indeed have changed.

I was trying to saying that the number of people who "get" SL to the point that they're open to being significantly affected by it is relatively small. There are 13 million WoW-ers compared to order 1 million SL-ers, that sort of argument. My guess is that the primary reason that SL stopped growing was that the thing that it does well is valued highly only by a relatively small percentage of the total population.
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Huh?
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Oh, sorry Envoy. Its spelt "spruik" of course, but I was going for an ironic counter-reference to my talk of "elitism". Kinda surprised I had to explain this, but anyway .......















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Oh, you sweet thing, it was

Fortunately (for both your not wanting to seem elitist, and me not wanting to appear a dunce), this appears to be an Australian term, one I had not come across before.
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Haha, when Sans started the SL Forums wake in Darkmere, which ended up running for about 2 days, Philip turned up, blogged about it, and didnt realise what the drumming was for till sans posted a response on his blog.

The guy is oblivious.
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I think "why does SL have to change the world?". Yes, of course one would like one's work to have that sort of impact, but if that's not realistic (and I don't think it is), what's wrong with doing something that is valued by "only" single-digit-millions of people?

As much as those involved like to spruke it, SL has not revolutionised the education or business worlds, mostly because it doesn't add (or indeed, have the same) value as other options that are already available (eg., WebCam plus synchronised PCs running PowerPoint, etc, beats SL business meetings hands-down).
I agree with you to a point. And this is even evidenced by current general technology use. For example, I have many clients who do NOT use the Internet nor do they have email.

In fact, it leaves me speechless for a moment when I say over the phone (thank god I don't have to use smoke signals or morse code): "What email address may I use to send you your quote?", and they offer up a fax number instead. Moreover what is truly special about this is that my company provides high end technology solutions for productivity -- so the client is fully aware they will have to own a computer, but they will not embrace the Internet or email.

Fair enough. I completely respect people who say "no thanks" to whatever technology they have no need for or do not feel they would like.

But I do feel that Virtual Worlds are the next evolutionary step from the Internet. But as the Internet did not completely remove IRC or even BBSs from the world, neither will VWs remove the WWW. It will come down to the right tool for the right job WHEN the technology has matured.

What I do not have faith in, however, is the maturing of this technology. At least not in LL's hands. Some day perhaps, but not in the immediate future.

I remember when BBS' were considered elitist and proved your worth as a geek. The Internet was born and many of us resisted before dipping a toe in those waters. But once there was value (cat stories and pornography), we began swimming in the shallow end, and then the deep end, returning only to IRC to download certain (cough) materials.

The benefit of VWs have not yet been realized and the platform isn't there. However, SL is a wonderful and vibrant place for many of us who DO see the value of the technology as currently provided by LL.

Where it goes from here... who can really say? But I would like to be alive on the day I can just jack my brain into a VW network of sorts. Or maybe I've watched one too many sci fi shows.

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Perhaps its the language that bothers me ....... I personally don't see VWs as the "next evolutionary step from the internet", I see them as another (important) application that will sit alongside other applications. I see people continuing to read their emails pretty much as they've always done, and later, logging on to a VW for a while, as opposed to having all their internet activity performed inside some sort of 3D environment.

In some ways, these old-fashioned 2D forums we're in right now, offer a better platform for communication than SL.

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As much as those involved like to spruke it, SL has not revolutionised the education or business worlds, mostly because it doesn't add (or indeed, have the same) value as other options that are already available (eg., WebCam plus synchronised PCs running PowerPoint, etc, beats SL business meetings hands-down).

You can't be a "promising" technology forever. And I don't think that SL deserves that (damning) label, I think there are areas where it has demonstrably succeeded, they're simply not areas that are going to win Phil a Nobel prize or gazillions of dollars
I don't think this can be emphasized enough.

It makes me think of the LoveMachine website.

It makes me think of this article.

It makes me wonder WTF this really means

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now that Linden Lab has refocused on consumers, says Francoise Legoues, a vice president at IBM, where more than 10,000 employees use Second Life for meetings.
and why the hell those 10,000 people aren't using more efficient tools

it reminds me that they will go back to considering new user figures as the only important metric for their business

a service that apparently has to be so simple to use that it no longer resembles itself
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Perhaps its the language that bothers me ....... I personally don't see VWs as the "next evolutionary step from the internet", I see them as another (important) application that will sit alongside other applications. I see people continuing to read their emails pretty much as they've always done, and later, logging on to a VW for a while, as opposed to having all their internet activity performed inside some sort of 3D environment.

In some ways, these old-fashioned 2D forums we're in right now, offer a better platform for communication than SL.

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Well said. And you are NOT a Crumudgeon. Elric Anatine chuckles. You are an insightful, well-spoken person.

I am perhaps contradicting myself then. The expression "the right tool for the right job" is something I cling to with a deathgrip and any interface or application's use must make logical and efficient sense for me to use.

You are correct that right now, discussions via a forum like this are definitely superior to trying something similar in a VW. For now. But I can dream of days when hooked to a machine where I can view discussions, click links, cross reference and research all within my mind and a virtual environment.

For instance, recreating libraries in SL makes no sense to me. The usefulness of this idea cannot be given efficient form in a VW. But educational safety and medical simulations, if created well, DO have merit in a VW.

So yes, I agree... alongside, in one fashion or another. But it is a technologic evolutionary step (like quills, ballpoints and gel).
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and why the hell those 10,000 people aren't using more efficient tools
I worked for IBM for 2 months on a contract when I first got to CO.

Trust me, efficiency is not one of IBMs strengths. They were tossing manpower at a problem that could have been solved if they'd just rewrite 30+ year old cobol systems.
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I have never worked for IBM, though I know a few people who have. I have worked for a few large corps, however, and getting anyone in the organization to use SL for meetings would be a monumentally daunting task with zero real benefit.
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where were you guys when i was arguing the exact same thing in some other thread
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What I've never understood is why they were so focused on bringing in big business and education into SL and not focused on bringing in (and appropriately charging) the average person.

Bring everyday people in and just like with facebook and other social media, users will bring other, profitable ideas to the table.

I still don't understand why they did not embrace the sex trade more - isolate it, but embrace it, money is there to be made.
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...l-meeting.html

IBM is all over the idea of virtual meeting space.
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