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Old 10-24-2011, 11:38 AM   #41
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Old 10-24-2011, 12:13 PM   #42
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Ha! You "math" people think you're so smart. Answer me this then!

If you're standing, say, 100 feet away from a person and you want to close the distance so that you're touching them, you first have to travel halfway to them - i.e., from 100 feet, you have to pass 50 feet before you can get to 0. Right?

Except then from 50 feet you have to first get to 25. And then to 12.5 feet. And then to 6.25 feet. And so on and so on. No matter how close you get, you must get halfway across the remaining distance before you can get completely across the remaining distance.

Since every possible distance (i.e., number) can be divided in half infinitely, there's no way to actually completely get close enough to a person to touch them.

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If you could make string for nothing you could take over the world market, no? Here's how you do it. Find a bit of string to start with, any length will do. Cut it in half. Then cut the halves in half, the quarters in half, and so on. Clearly, you can repeat such a process forever, meaning that eventually you'll have an infinite number of pieces. And thus, when you join them all together, you'll have an infinitely long piece of string that you can then sell for massive profit!

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48÷2(9+3) = ?



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I iz here, but work has been kicking my butt.

I suspect that the originator of this, most heinous of threads, has hacked into computers all around the world, and placed bugs into every FORTRAN compiler she could find.

Some people truly are that evil.
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48÷2(9+3) = ?



The answer is "trick question - bad notation."

There's no fixed rule for whether a number in front of a parenthesis takes priority over normal left-to-right order*, it's either

48 / 2 * 12 = 24 * 12 = 288 {personal preference because in my world x(y) = x * y}

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48 / (2 * 12) = 48 / 24 = 2

There's a reason higher math avoids this entirely and expresses division with fraction lines.
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Engineering and science aren't a good place for ambiguity on order of operations.
* find the epic quibbling thread on SLU if you want my sources for this. I got sick of people not reading my posts and just ZOMG GRADE SCHOOL U STUPIDS to back up their preference for one answer over another.
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I suspect that the originator of this, most heinous of threads, has hacked into computers all around the world, and placed bugs into every FORTRAN compiler she could find.
Please assure me, and swear on the holy memo pads of Donald Knuth, that you don't still work in FORTRAN.

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(And yes, you too are dead to me Chaz.)
Best part of that question is that it ends up inspiring 15 page threads about math on any forum ever. Even better if one person claims it's clearly written as a theorem and the other person is an idiot. Because everyone loves math.

Related thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments...12_reaaaaally/


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Typesetters are not mathematicians.
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This is what I need.

I have found a theme for my house.
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Yeah yeah, the moment those girls turn around, you won't even remember what math is.
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Please assure me, and swear on the holy memo pads of Donald Knuth, that you don't still work in FORTRAN.

Please.
Why you be hating on FORTRAN?

I use FORTRAN when speed matters, and Python when it doesn't.

FORTRAN used to have a significant speed advantage over C++ (eg., http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~szymansk/OOF90/performance.html). My guess is that although that advantage will have been whittled down somewhat in recent times, FORTRAN may maintain an edge, because the language has limitations placed upon it to make it easier for compiler writers to produce fast code, particularly for "large" machines.

A 10% speed boost matters when your numerical experiment takes hours to run to completion. And then you have those climate wackadoos, whose calculations run for months.

There's a nice article in defence of FORTRAN at https://bitbucket.org/eric_t/modern-fortran/wiki/Home which makes a key point that many others have made, namely that FORTRAN is an evolving language, and many of the criticisms applied to it today (eg., lack of derived-types) were reasonably well addressed years ago.

All that said ..... its also true that no-one learns FORTRAN at university anymore, and that's a real issue for its ongoing survivability.
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Yeah yeah, the moment those girls turn around, you won't even remember what math is.
I saw we have a test to find out
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OK ....... but we're going to do this scientifically, so I'm afraid its going to have to be a blind experiment.
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All that said ..... its also true that no-one learns FORTRAN at university anymore, and that's a real issue for its ongoing survivability.
I couldn't believe that, so I checked my alma mater and it was true! Instead of FORTRAN, they teach the use of MATLAB to solve engineering problems. This is more of a shock to me since two of the key FEM software packages are written in FORTRAN: NASTRAN and ANSYS. Or were, up until 15 years ago. Who maintains that code, now, I wonder, and what are their qualifications?
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I couldn't believe that, so I checked my alma mater and it was true! Instead of FORTRAN, they teach the use of MATLAB to solve engineering problems. This is more of a shock to me since two of the key FEM software packages are written in FORTRAN: NASTRAN and ANSYS. Or were, up until 15 years ago. Who maintains that code, now, I wonder, and what are their qualifications?
Programming is *hard* Govi, it can't possibly be inflicted on poor defenceless engineering and maths students.


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Seeing as how everything nowadays has a microprocessor in it :P
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That punch card typist is awfully confident of her typing to string such a long series of statements onto one card. I did that only with a single long statement. Putting multiples on it is an invitation to a typo which would take the CDC6400 in the basement of Evans Hall 0.000013 sec central processing unit time to detect and abort the program, giving me a stream of paper output--memory dump--to puzzle through until I found the line/card that had given the cpu fits and crumped my run and then I had to wait for more time to sit at the punch card machines and re-type one card and do it all again.

I get bloodshot eyes just thinking about that.

The best time to keep that cycle time to a minimum was between 11:30pm and 7:00am, which meant that if I was in extremis--staying late to get a non-functioning program to work--I had to stay there until 7:00am or pre-arrange an escort home when I finished.
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Wow, Cale is more resilient than first suspected.

I think it's time we hauled out the bleem equations.
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