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Old 02-23-2013, 02:03 PM   #1
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Best Korea directly warns US regional commander

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North Korea warned the top American commander in South Korea on Saturday of "miserable destruction" if the U.S. military presses ahead with routine joint drills with South Korea set to begin next month.

Pak Rim Su, chief of North Korea's military delegation to the truce village of Panmunjom inside the Demilitarized Zone, sent the warning Saturday morning to Gen. James Thurman, Pyongyang's official Korean Central News Agency said, in a rare direct message to the U.S. commander.

The threat comes as the U.S. and other nations discuss how to punish North Korea for conducting an underground nuclear test on Feb. 12 in defiance of U.N. Security Council resolutions banning Pyongyang from nuclear and missile activity.

North Korea has characterized the nuclear test, its third since 2006, as a defensive act against U.S. aggression. Pyongyang accuses Washington of "hostility" for leading the charge to punish North Korea for a December rocket launch that the U.S. considers a covert missile test.

The U.S. and North Korea fought on opposite sides of the three-year Korean War, which ended in a truce in 1953, not a peace treaty, and left the Korean Peninsula divided by a heavily fortified border monitored by the U.S.-led U.N. Command.

Washington also stations 28,500 American troops in South Korea to protect its ally against North Korean aggression.

South Korea and the U.S. regularly conduct joint drills such as the Key Resolve and Foal Eagle exercises slated to take place next month. North Korea calls the drills proof of U.S. hostility, and accuses Washington of practicing for an invasion.

"You had better bear in mind that those igniting a war are destined to meet a miserable destruction," KCNA quoted Pak as saying in his message to Thurman. He called the drills "reckless."

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, meanwhile, has been making a round of visits to military units guiding troops in drills and exercises since the nuclear test, KCNA said.
Every single year, the US holds military drills with South Korea. And every single year, North Korea insists it's a cover for an attempted invasion and warns of dire consequences in the most hilarious of terms. And every year of course no invasion ever happens, which North Korea insists proves that South Korea and the US have been cowed. And the beat goes on.
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I thought Koreans ate dogs, Govi?
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OK then.

Well, I suppose if they try to attack the US, there will be a lot of miserable destruction. Maybe not the kind they are anticipating, and North Korea is already pretty miserable, but still...pretty sure we could make it more miserable and more destroyed.

If it's one thing we're good at, it's miserable destruction. I'd prefer it if we focused our attention on being good at other things, but for the time being, we pretty much lead the world in miserable destruction.
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I think most of the destruction in North Korea will be done by North Korea.
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OK then.

Well, I suppose if they try to attack the US, there will be a lot of miserable destruction. Maybe not the kind they are anticipating, and North Korea is already pretty miserable, but still...pretty sure we could make it more miserable and more destroyed.

If it's one thing we're good at, it's miserable destruction. I'd prefer it if we focused our attention on being good at other things, but for the time being, we pretty much lead the world in miserable destruction.
There's about a dozen shitholes in Africa that have us far beat on miserable destruction. What we do best is indiscriminate and or pointless destruction.
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There's about a dozen shitholes in Africa that have us far beat on miserable destruction. What we do best is indiscriminate and or pointless destruction.
Yes, America's destruction is rather aloof and impersonal. I've heard stories about certain militias in Africa...I think, in a way, perhaps the worst thing some of them do is leave "survivors".
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Aloof and impersonal? Sheesh, do you imagine that the world would take it all better if we dragged our victims through the streets, hung them from convenient structures, and then set their bodies afire? General William Tecumseh Sherman said it repeatedly, in slightly different ways to different audiences: "War is hell." There is nothing pretty or glorious about the victims of war, nor about war itself, except the heroism of the persons who fight despite all their better angels telling them to get the hell out of it.
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There's about a dozen shitholes in Africa that have us far beat on miserable destruction. What we do best is indiscriminate and or pointless destruction.
Maybe in terms of individual miserable destruction, but we have them beat when it comes to destruction on scale. We're not anywhere near as bad on a personal, one on one basis and when it comes to discriminating between military and non-military targets, we are much less destructive. At least we make an effort to save civilians.
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Aloof and impersonal? Sheesh, do you imagine that the world would take it all better if we dragged our victims through the streets, hung them from convenient structures, and then set their bodies afire?
It was not a moral judgment.
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그들이 좋은 무엇인지 알고있는 경우 평양에서 웃기는 광대 입 닥쳐해야합니다.

I think that says "Watch out for the kim chi, it is spicy!"

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Maybe in terms of individual miserable destruction, but we have them beat when it comes to destruction on scale. We're not anywhere near as bad on a personal, one on one basis and when it comes to discriminating between military and non-military targets, we are much less destructive. At least we make an effort to save civilians.
I agree with all that, which is why I say we are lower n the miserable scale.
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I honestly think we're ok. I mean Dennis Rodman just went there. What could go wrong?
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Some fun from North Korea:

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Pyongyang, March 1 (KCNA) -- Key Resolve and Foal Eagle joint military exercises are typical ones for invading the DPRK and a test nuclear war as they are aimed to mount surprise "preemptive nuclear attack" on the DPRK.

Rodong Sinmun Friday says this in a bylined article.

Key Resolve and Foal Eagle are the drills for a war against the DPRK, which have been systematically escalated with tinderbox of nuclear war, the article notes, and goes on:

Through the joint military exercises the U.S. and the south Korean puppet forces have examined and rounded off in an overall way the rapid deployment of aggression forces in the Korean Peninsula and the posture for carrying out combined operations, while getting familiar with the capability to make a preemptive nuclear attack on the strategic depth and major strongholds in the DPRK.

Their provocative nature has been reinforced by the U.S. aggression policy towards the DPRK and the south Korean puppet forces, its lackeys.

Key Resolve and Foal Eagle are a grave military provocation and undisguised declaration of a war against the DPRK.

The U.S. and south Korean puppet forces seek to mislead the public opinion, describing them as "annual" and "defensive". With no rhetoric can the war-thirsty forces cover up the gravity and danger of the joint military exercises.

In case a new war breaks out on the Korean Peninsula due to reckless military provocation of aggressors, it is bound to lead to an all-out nuclear war. The DPRK can never allow the south Korean bellicose forces to seriously threaten it by force of arms in league with foreign forces and increase the danger of a nuclear war to extremes.

The U.S. and the south Korean warmongers had better stop such foolish adventure as jumping into fire with faggot on their back.
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Pyongyang, March 1 (KCNA) -- Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism is unanimously praised by progressive people as a great revolutionary idea in the era of independence.

The Nigerian National Committee for the Study of the Juche Idea posted on its website an article which says:

The Juche idea, an idea guiding the human cause of independence, would be unthinkable without its founder President Kim Il Sung and general secretary Kim Jong Il.

Kim Jong Il comprehensively analyzed and reviewed the history of the working class struggle many years ago with his inborn rare ideological and theoretical wisdom.

In this course he clarified that the preceding theory could not give clear-cut answers to the issues raised by the modern times and came to the conclusion that only the Juche idea, revolutionary idea of the President, could become a guiding idea in the era of independence.

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It was an event of special mention in the human cause of independence that Kim Jong Il formulated the revolutionary idea of the President as Kimilsungism.

He authored many works such as "On the Juche Idea," developing, reviewing and systematizing the Juche idea.

The Juche idea was rapidly disseminated worldwide and progressive people came to have a powerful ideological and theoretical weapon for building a new world free from all sorts of oppression, binding, domination and subjugation.

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Kim Jong Il's ideological and theoretical activities were very vast in their scope.

He developed the Songun idea based on the Juche idea, providing mankind with a treasured sword for winning a sure victory in the struggle for accomplishing the human cause of independence.

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Supreme leader of the DPRK Kim Jong Un formulated the guiding idea of the Workers' Party of Korea as Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism in his work "Let Us Brilliantly Accomplish the Revolutionary Cause of Juche, Holding Kim Jong Il in High Esteem as the Eternal General Secretary of Our Party".

The revolutionary idea of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il is precious ideological and theoretical wealth not only for the Korean people but for the world progressive people struggling for socialism.

The participants in the inaugural meeting of the Japanese Society for Study of Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism said in an excited tone:

The great idea helps produce great people and usher in a great era. Only victory is in store for us advancing under the uplifted banner of Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism.

The Khabarovsk Territorial Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation carried an article in its organ.

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The revolutionary idea of Kim Il Sung and Chairman of the National Defence Commission Kim Jong Il, publicly recognized as the great revolutionary idea in the era of independence, was formulated as Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism. This marked a historic event of great significance not only for the Korean people but for the progressive mankind fighting for independence and socialism.

Their idea is inseparably correlated and it is quite natural to name the idea Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism.

Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism is an integral system of the idea, theory and method of Juche and clearly indicates the revolutionary theory, strategy and tactics.

The victory and honor of the Korean people have always been demonstrated, a proof of the validity and vitality of Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism.
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Looking at that again, I'm not altogether sure that that picture is real. Isn't Rodman much taller than he seems in that photograph? Also, he seems to lack the faint shadow his companion has. Among Rodman's many accomplishments, I don't think vampirism is one.
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Oh, and re Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism, I wonder if the word kimche is related to the Kims and if so, how. Why wouldn't they call the whole thing, the line of three Kims, Kimism?
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Looking at that again, I'm not altogether sure that that picture is real. Isn't Rodman much taller than he seems in that photograph? Also, he seems to lack the faint shadow his companion has. Among Rodman's many accomplishments, I don't think vampirism is one.
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What do you think that article and picture are saying, Johnny? I don't see the relationship between the article and my question that you quoted.
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How about a video

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/t/video/de...WzYdE_oDEPogsQ

(I don't think that worked, here is the link: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/t/video/de...YiSWWAr1gvU4iw )

Interview with George Stephanopolis. It was really Rodman.
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Neither of your links worked for me.
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Ah, I understand our confusion now. Johnny, you think that I don't believe that Rodman went to the PRK? Not so; it was the particular photograph whose authenticity I doubted.

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The pic is legit, Govi. Obviously the guy behind him isn't Kim, though. It's him with the Harlem Globtrotters at Pyongyang Airport and some guy that is there to assist or whatever.




You can find plenty of pics with them together, though.

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Sitting here at my desk and reflecting on this thread, I have realized that I should not be so sanguine about the lunatics who run North Korea. After all, they have launched one bloody war before, one which has not officially ended, too. And I live on the Pacific Coast, which location in California is not the closest American target for these wing-wang "communist" tyrants, we would certainly be a good spot to hit.
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The pic is legit, Govi. Obviously the guy behind him isn't Kim, though. It's him with the Harlem Globtrotters at Pyongyang Airport and some guy that is there to assist or whatever.




You can find plenty of pics with them together, though.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Denn...w=1168&bih=752
Thanks I did even notice that wasn't Kim Jong-un. Roman is 6'7" so not huge but still tall.

Anyway, Kim Jong-un doesn't actually run the country. He's really just a figurehead for the party that does.
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I barely gave the Rodman thing a minutes thought, although this guy from SI did, if you are interested. It WAS the main story on Google news this morning. (I just rolled my eyes)

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Dennis Rodman's North Korea trip a poorly-crafted joke

If you want to annoy a relentless publicity whore, dismiss his entire existence in a single sentence. Like this: Dennis Rodman is a desperate and pathetic character who will do anything to get noticed, probably to make up for the fact that his father had dozens of kids and ignored him, so Dennis has to stand out any way he can.

I was reminded of this again this week, when Rodman visited North Korea, presumably because he heard North Korean women are hot. Rodman gleefully allowed himself to be used as a publicity prop by North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un, who runs one of the world's most brutal regimes, but hold on, folks, breaking news from Dennis Rodman!

"He loves basketball," Rodman reported back to George Stephanopoulos of ABC. "I said Obama loves basketball. Let's start there."

What a great idea! Why didn't President Obama think of this?

Rodman also said of North Korea's dictator: "He said: I don't want to do war. He said that to me."

(We pause for a moment to imagine that this was all an elaborate plot by the CIA: Dennis Rodman gets Kim Jong-un drunk and asks if he wants to "do war." What do you think? I lean no, but if Rodman gets face time with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, I will re-evaluate.)

This is all sort of hilarious, except for the fact that North Korea has imprisoned hundreds of thousands of its own citizens, according to Human Rights Watch. And tens of thousands of North Koreans have starved to death, but the government refuses to acknowledge the problem. Kim Jong-un is continuing the oppressive rule of his father, Kim Jong-il.

Yeah. It's funny, except for all that.

Rodman's idiotic comments were not surprising. If you send a clown to the international stage, you get a clown show.

Rodman is not malicious. I doubt Rodman gave 10 seconds of thought to the hundreds of thousands of people being tortured. Rodman thrives on getting people to say, "Whoa, he's different." This, in part, explains his basketball excellence. While most players of his skill level would try to fulfill conventional roles, Rodman focused on rebounding and playing defense, and he did both as well as anybody of his generation. He actually seemed to enjoy not scoring, because ... whoa, that was different.

This is why he wore a wedding dress, and posed on the cover of Sports Illustrated in a kinky outfit. It's why he said he wanted to play his last game naked, and why I once saw him answer a question from a reporter (the late, great Terry Armour of the Chicago Tribune) from the bench while his team was playing.

Many NBA stars have partied too hard and slept with scores of women. When Rodman did it, he felt the need to tell the world about it. Repeatedly.

Tell him that nobody else goes to North Korea, and he'll be on the next plane, without even asking why.

Hey, Rodman is what he is. Usually, he is harmless. I'm sure he didn't mean to cozy up to a ruthless, brutal regime; this was just Dennis being Dennis.

"He's a good guy to me," Rodman told Stephanopoulos. "As a person to person, he's my friend. I don't condone what he does."

In other words: Let's party (Korean word for "dude")! This sums up Rodman perfectly. Kim Jong-un is threatening to build a nuclear arsenal that should scare every human on the planet, but hey, he sat next to Dennis, and he likes basketball! The fact that he is such an outcast among world leaders only makes him more appealing to Rodman.

Again, this is Rodman. I'm not even surprised. My question is this:

What is wrong with us?

This is Dennis Rodman, people. He makes Shaq seem like John Kerry. If he finds his way to North Korea as part of a basketball exhibition, can't we just be appalled and move on? Why is Stephanopoulos interviewing Rodman like he might have some insight into the North Korean leader? There is a reason nobody has drafted Rodman to run for the U.S. senate.

Maybe, just by writing this, I'm part of the problem. I can see that. But I tried to ignore Rodman's visit at first, and then it just got bigger and bigger, and it's pretty clear we just can't look away. Dennis Rodman's comments, by any measure, were ignorant and sickening, reason enough to hope Rodman keeps his mouth shut for the next decade or two. It's hard to laugh at a clown when he is sitting next to a murderer.
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I can't even tell you how much this entire scenario sickens me. NK has labor death camps on a par with those in eastern europe during the holocaust. It wouldn't surprise me to hear there are ovens. I don't know what team he plays for but I guess its too much to hope that team would be boycotted until he is thrown off the team and banned from basketball for life. Anything less than that is a support of Rodman's actions.
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I can't even tell you how much this entire scenario sickens me. NK has labor death camps on a par with those in eastern europe during the holocaust. It wouldn't surprise me to hear there are ovens. I don't know what team he plays for but I guess its too much to hope that team would be boycotted until he is thrown off the team and banned from basketball for life. Anything less than that is a support of Rodman's actions.
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Did the rest of the team spend 2 days with Kim Jong Horrible (KJH) or was it just Rodman? Did the rest of the team urge Obama to "just call" -- or was that just Rodman? Did the rest of the team allow as how KJH was his best buddy because he liked basketball and say "I don't condone what he does, but as far as a person to person, he's my friend" and then go on to dismiss the prison camps and reports of mass murder as "just politics."?
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Rodman is retired. He played most of his career with Chicago.
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