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Old 07-16-2011, 10:13 AM   #1
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Old 07-16-2011, 10:51 AM   #2
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Old 07-16-2011, 01:46 PM   #4
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For once she's right, but for the wrong reasons -and dismissive of the right reasons. Fuck it.
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Nah - she's not "right" at all.

Corporations are (presently) quite free to tell you that you cannot use a pseudonym when registering for their services. They are free to be selective in their enforcement and they are free to ask that their users help them in their enforcement.

This "wrongness" is further compounded by her mistaken belief (shared by others) that a digital Avatar has any Rights at all. They don't - end of story.
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Old 07-16-2011, 08:16 PM   #6
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You can disagree all you want Han: Until a law is passed which outlaws such actions (companies refusing to allow pseudonyms), it's not going to change the facts.

Ditto for a law which give a digitized Avatar "Rights": Until such a thing is passed (and I sure as fuck hope such a thing does not pass until such a time as we have the technology to upload people into their avatars), avatars do not have any Rights - the people behind them do, as customers, as themselves.
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Old 07-16-2011, 08:25 PM   #7
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You can disagree all you want Han: Until a law is passed which outlaws such actions (companies refusing to allow pseudonyms), it's not going to change the facts.

Ditto for a law which give a digitized Avatar "Rights": Until such a thing is passed (and I sure as fuck hope such a thing does not pass until such a time as we have the technology to upload people into their avatars), avatars do not have any Rights - the people behind them do, as customers, as themselves.
Just like Prok, you're taking a seriously myopic view of the issue.

The push of social networking as represented by facebook and g+ combined policies restricting aliases is an assault on privacy and an assault on anonymity. what they are hoping to bring about is a limited internet where you can only post or access content with your legal, birth name so that you can be data mined and tracked.

Privacy is the important issue, privacy is the underlying issue. This is the point where privacy and anonymity need to be stood up for. However, Prok has flat-out said she disagrees.

It's about the right to aliases, not avatars, Astra. Privacy, not "omg gimme on G+"

And that's why she's wrong.
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No Han - it's not about Privacy. Please don't be daft - and kindly don't mistake sticking to facts with being "myopic".

Your right to privacy presently ends where a corporation running a social network's right to ensure that people are who they say they are beings. Until a law or two is passed otherwise .... you're barking up the wrong tree.

Want privacy? Don't use the networks or set it up so that no one at all can see your information.

As for the "Right" to be anonymous? While using a social networking system of any kind?

Please .... Do not make me laugh.

"Han Held" does not exist. The person behind "Han Held" exists. A part of "Han Held"'s personality exists in the person behind "Han Held". That is all.

You want to fight for privacy and anonymity?

Do it where you actually have the fucking right for such things.
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No Han - it's not about Privacy. Please don't be daft - and kindly don't mistake sticking to facts with being "myopic".
You believe this issue begins and ends with this company, and I do not.


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Your right to privacy presently ends where a corporation running a social network's right to ensure that people are who they say they are beings. Until a law or two is passed otherwise .... you're barking up the wrong tree.
The next logical step is to say that your privacy ends when you log onto the coporate internet.
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no, I want to make sure that I have the right to be aonymous period. This is an attempt to erode that.

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I'm not willing to concede that right anywhere, sorry.
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Well Han - too bad for you. The facts are what they are, like them or not.

The issue starts and ends with the laws, Han. Not the companies, the laws.

By the by? There is no "next logical step" - kindly quit it with the utter bullshit. Nothing is being "eroded" You do not, at present, have the right to hide yourself when a corporation which owns a social network decides they will not allow pseudonyms or utterly anonymous users.

That is the present way the laws work.

You have the right to protest it. That is the only right you have in this issue at present.

By the by? Until a law is enacted which countermands the present policies of Facebook and Google .... What you are willing to concede is irrelevant.
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Who wants to help google scrape more data on you anyway, under a pseudonym or not.

If they paid me for my data, I might consider it.
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quit it with the utter bullshit. .
..and now we reach the "NO U" part of the conversation ---and subsequently, I'm out.
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No Han - we've reached the part where I tell the other party to stick to facts - not fiction, or what you'd like reality to be.

Thank you for bowing out though Han - it saves you the trouble of having to admit that you cannot do such a thing.
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Who wants to help google scrape more data on you anyway, under a pseudonym or not.

If they paid me for my data, I might consider it.
I had a G+ account that just got blocked due to "suspicious activity".
In order to login and see what it was all about, they wanted my cell phone number so they could send me a text, or voice message, with a pin number.
Fuck that.

They can send it to my alternate email if I need information.

I just closed the window and figure I won't be back, unless this policy changes.
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