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Old 10-23-2011, 02:54 PM   #1
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The day we moved in:



Ugly, cigarette burned linoleum, standard brown cabinets, white (non-functioning) appliances. Lovely chandelier, too!



Note the ugly greasy vent over the stove. Stove was placed right next to wall, so wall was in danger of catching fire. Scorch marks on wall.
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Step 1 was to pull up the linoleum because it was curling up so badly that it kept catching on the front door. We're currently living on subflooring, which is alright, really. It's just big pieces of plywood.

Step 2 was to degloss the cabinets, take the doors and hinges off, and paint the lot. After reinstallation of doors:





Note that we've also bought new 12" cabinets to put over the existing ones. I think it makes the kitchen look taller, plus now we have enclosed storage up there, which is nice! We need to buy one more set, for over the fridge. We also replaced the nasty stove vent with an over-the-stove microwave that has a vent. It's a good space saver, since we don't have a lot of counter space. We also use it as the "dog vault" - it's Greta-proof.
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Don't forget the dead mouse in the oven (which had a gas leak...the oven, not the mouse. Come to think of it, the gas leak, I suspect, could explain the dead mouse) and the dead mouse on top of the completely non-functioning dishwasher.

Hah - that last picture has a sampling of a few of the massive zucchini that we pulled in this year. Only 50 more pounds to go!
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Next up: Trout and Oryx Make A Porno.



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Yea. How come there no good zucchini porn?

Oh and love the kitchen so far
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Goodness! I double dare you to google images that, Jen, with safe search off.
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Where's the big screen tv? I thought you were remodeling.
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Oddly enough, I was just recently thinking about Zuccotti Park but couldn't remember if I knew the name correctly and started thinking of it as, Zucchini Pork.

Nice work on the kitchen, Trout & Oryx!!
Those enclosed cabinets up top are SO much better than just having the top-ledge thingy.
We made the same change here and it's awesome not worrying about the grunge that builds up in that open space!
(Especially since we're smokers.)
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Where's the big screen tv? I thought you were remodeling.
Ok, that got no laughs. :/

Looks great Oryx, really
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Beautiful! Nice work you two.

Plus, I was a bit hungry and the bananas on your counter reminded me I had some.
*munch *munch *munch
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Where's the big screen tv? I thought you were remodeling.
I would have laughed earlier, but I've been in trial all day. Busy. Stressed out, and I NEED a big screen tv in my kitchen. Maybe if we ripped out the upper row of cabinets...
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Door Drama:

Unbelievable. We went to Lowe's to buy two new doors: an exterior door for the back door, and a sliding glass patio door. For the exterior door, we looked at all the doors on display and chose Door A. Despite the fact that it was hanging on display, it was only available by "special order" because it was discontinued, which would tack on an additional $200. So we chose the slightly inferior Door B. We paid for it, and paid for the delivery. When the door arrived at our house, the brick moulding was mangled on top and actually missing from one side. We sent it back, demanding a new one. Instead, they put the SAME DOOR back on the truck and tossed in some (uncut) lengths of moulding with it. So apparently, we were supposed to fix the door that they broke. Of course, we refused. That door was the LAST Door B that they had in stock (of course, also discontinued) , so we chose a new style, Door C. Salesguy orders a 36" Door D instead of 32" Door C, so we have to explain to second salesguy what the hell is going on. And then, the sliding door. Also discontinued. Anyone see a pattern here? We didn't order cheap doors; they were decent, middle-range doors. Should be plenty on stock. We're wondering if Lowe's is actively practicing a "bait and switch" policy. Sure seems like it. It practically required a Congressional signature to get the ONLY sliding door in our model in the entire state of Washington delivered from their Federal Way store. WTF, Lowe's? Buyers beware.
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I'm convinced it's a scam. None of the doors they have on display are actually available except as a special order. They sell you the door, then call you and say, oops, that was the wrong one. The one you want is special order, so we need another $200.00. By that time, you're committed. Maybe it's policy, maybe it's a local manager pocketing the difference, but in any event, it's a con.

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That's good info, since we need a new front door and would most likely have been going to Lowes.
I still may, since we had a fairly good experience with all the other work we've had from them (kitchen remodel, hardwood flooring/carpeting and installation), but I'll be paying attention to what's what with them doors!
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In this town, there seems to be only Lowes. In Cleveland, I had Lowes and Home Depot.

Try Home Depot, Troryx.
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Ugly, cigarette burned linoleum,
Srsly, who smokes while working in the kitchen? No wait, I got it: corned beef ash, amirite?

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Note the ugly greasy vent over the stove. Stove was placed right next to wall, so wall was in danger of catching fire. Scorch marks on wall.
Was the vent actually hooked to an exterior vent duct of some kind? I bet it wasn't. I bet that hood served no actual function as it was.
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Old timer's tip-
make good friends with the guy in charge of the lumber yard.

Chat him up. Look him in the eyes. Get his name. Shake his hand.

Then, when you order, look him in the eye again, and tell him that if he sends you crooked lumber or screwed up product, you'll just be setting it right back onto the truck, so he might as well get it right the first time.

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We still have to replace three interior doors. Will definitely go local.
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We pretty much go local for limber already, but the local lumber store only stocks builder spec stuff. You can't get any upgraded doors or larger ticket items there. That's why we ended up at Lowes

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Might they special-order higher-end things for you?
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I'm convinced it's a scam. None of the doors they have on display are actually available except as a special order. They sell you the door, then call you and say, oops, that was the wrong one. The one you want is special order, so we need another $200.00. By that time, you're committed. Maybe it's policy, maybe it's a local manager pocketing the difference, but in any event, it's a con.

I'm calling the AG.
I'd file with the Better Business Bureau too.
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I don't know whether they can order different stuff or not. They have a very small selection there compared to the bigger stores, but I'll sure find out. The guys there are great. You don't even have to ask - if you get a bunch of lumber, you drive around back and the guy picks through it while he loads the truck and gives you the nice pieces. They've all been in the trades, so if you have a question, you're asking a guy who has actually done it before, not some kid at the Lowes who doesn't know which end of the hammer to hold.

It was pretty funny (in retrospect). The back door we ordered arrived with the brick molding torn off - just completely missing. So we refused it and sent it back. When we went in, the guy said, "We'll send it back out and we'll give you a few pieces of brick molding so you can fix it." Yes, I can fix it, but no, I don't want to. I bought the door, they broke it. They should fix it. So, I told them that (as did Oryx), and the guy looked me straight in the eye and said (I kid you not - he really said this), "I'd do it for you, but we don't have the right kind of saw to cut molding."

O.o

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What the Hell kind of magical exotic saw do you need to cut molding?! It's not made out of titanium! It's wood! And this is the Lowes! You have a bazillion saws here, and you don't have the one magical saw you need to cut a piece of molding!? Like, if you use the wrong saw, it will explode and kill us all! WTF. Plus, what the hell sort of incredible shop do you think I have at home? My garage is full of a bunch of tools that I got at the damned LOWES! If they don't have this miraculous molding slicer, then why would I have it!? Maybe the Ginsu knife will cut it. That knife cuts ANYTHING - rocks, shoe leather, cast iron, fingers, tomatoes - ANYTHING!

Seriously, it takes balls to tell a lie like that. We got half-way home and both of us started laughing hysterically at that one. No saw. Can't cut your molding. Fix it yourself...



In other news, I just re-read this thread and remembered some of the things we've done to this house. Most of it has been fun, and a real learning experience. You should see me hang sheetrock. I'm a sheet rock hangin' fool. But of all the jobs, I think I'll be perfectly happy if I never, ever have to pull up linoleum and that awful subfloor it's glued to. That job was truly awful. Just miserable, back breaking, filthy, and lots of nails sticking out of things.
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You didn't say you'd take the door and the repair molding, for 50% off your original price? You must have been in shock. Probably all the molding wants is a miter saw or miter cut fixture on a radial arm saw.
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You didn't say you'd take the door and the repair molding, for 50% off your original price? You must have been in shock. Probably all the molding wants is a miter saw or miter cut fixture on a radial arm saw.
It had already been paid for, and, frankly, I was a little ticked off at them. Installing an exterior door is a lot of work compared to an interior door, and this one will be more so because we're going from a 30 inch slab to a 32 inch slab, so, in addition to ripping out the old door, I have to widen the hole by 2 inches, so I'm really not down with doing any more work that I shouldn't have to. Plus, I fully expect to find water damage in the framing, so I'm going to have to do God knows how much carpentry to fix that.

You're right - all it needs is a miter saw. I have one in the garage, and there's no reason why I couldn't do the work other than I paid for a finished door and I didn't feel it was fair to have to accept a door that they broke. I could have asked for a discount, but they were already "giving me the replacement molding for free", like they were doing me a favor, so I was a little irritated with them.
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Man - the house in Cleveland that we lived in when I was in high school was a nightmare to buy stuff for. First of all, it was old - like 80 years old, which means that nothing in that house is a standard size. The internal doors were all slightly shorter and significantly narrower than any of the stock doors you can get at Lowes, so we had to buy doors and then cut a couple inches off em with a circular, then knock the end-blocks out of the cut-off strips and knock em into the now-open edge of the cut door, then use heavy clamps to glue the finished pieces.

And then there were the windows - also none of them modern-standard size. Well that was fine, we just cut the glass to fit. But, we couldn't find appropriately-sized storm window sets. Just couldn't find em. We had to buy ones that were an inch too narrow and fill in the gaps with wood slats, it was kinda dumb.

And let's not get into some of the awful things we found, like four layers of wallpaper in the living room, and 11 very rusty steel washers (yes 11) used as a spacer for one of the ring-nuts that held the faucet to the kitchen sink because I don't even know why.
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Our house is just shy of 100 years old. None of our doors are standard. We've had to buy custom in everything. Had I known this prior to purchasing the home, I might have thought twice about it. I mean, my side door to the basement, wound up costing more than double what it should have been because of it (labor included).

I still have 2 more doors to go and they will be the most expensive ones; the front door and the side door to our port cochere. Both, have to be good quality, authentic looking to the style of the house (meaning Craftsman) and custom. The side door has been boarded up on the outside since we moved in, with another steel door. The inside is the original door with horribly broken paned glass, which I don't think we can even repair at this point - plus it really isn't quite safe enough for that area. Currently, we have it covered in plastic sheeting to stop the cold from coming in and probably will leave it on to later stop the warm air from doing the same. The cats are confused. They used to like sniffing at it to get a whiff of outdoors every now and then.

I already got quotes and for the 2 doors, not even for the best out there, it was going to be something like $2000 or so each. And that doesn't count a new screen door either or, new hardware.

So, I'm suffering with the ugly plain windowless front door, with the nearly broken screen door for now, along with the aforementioned side door. I replaced all the other doors which I was mandated to do by the DOB in order to clear out my T.C.O. Who knows what year it will be before I can afford these? They aren't exactly the highest priority.

Kill me now.
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I'll bet nothing is square, either. Houses settle, and stuff gets all kaddywampus. Ours is around 20 years, and there has been a little settling, but nothing significant.

Ghosty needs to learn millworking. Then he can make you all new doors and windows! It would be cheaper to buy the right tools than to buy the doors and windows. Problem solved.
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I'll bet nothing is square, either. Houses settle, and stuff gets all kaddywampus. Ours is around 20 years, and there has been a little settling, but nothing significant.

Ghosty needs to learn millworking. Then he can make you all new doors and windows! It would be cheaper to buy the right tools than to buy the doors and windows. Problem solved.
He could learn. But honestly he's one of those people who has good intentions but things frequently don't get done. There are reasons why, but I'll refrain from listing his issues (no seriously, follow his blog and you can find out about it yourself. It isn't like he doesn't talk about it now and then, I just don't like being the one to blab about his mental health).

Like, he was going to build me a simple standing wood lattice screen so our grill wouldn't be seen from the street last year.

Everything is still sitting in the garage. *sighs* If I'm lucky, he'll do it this year.

In his defense, he did put together our new porch furniture already. So yea for that!!! But I think he had ulterior motives of taking a nap out there on the loveseat :P

So, this is why I hire people. It gets done quickly and correctly (Usually). I'm happy. He's happy because I'm happy. Win win.
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Elora and all East Coasters, I realize this may be late, but these guys have EVERYTHING you might want to look for:

http://www.manta.com/c/mmntn9f/door-jamb

And I would most heartily recommend asking them re. your dimensions before succumbing to reframing/other measures.

PS Phoenicia has an awesome restaurant and arts scene to add to the trip if necessary [my bestie Spike lives nearby], and they also have the world's Largest Kaleidoscope [inside an old silo] nearby as well].
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The hell with the door... I think I'll grab some shrooms and head to the kaleidoscope!!

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You have to either lay on the floor or on a rack-construction kinda thing to view it, but here's a vid:
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2175

BTW, took daughter Sara there on a lark one time, and it was totally worth the price, complaining reviews notwithstanding. Very cool.

Also got premier toddler toys for nephew at the same time.
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some a LARGE bag of shrooms
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