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Old 06-24-2010, 02:24 AM   #1
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On NWN Hamlet says:

"Multiple sources tell me that more major executive changes at Linden Lab are coming very soon. Specifically, that Linden Lab CEO Mark Kingdon, known as M Linden in-world, is leaving the company, and Second Life founder Philip Rosedale, known as Philip Linden in-world, is returning to the company he founded to take a managerial position. These are unconfirmed reports, I hasten to say, so I'm checking with the company and other sources now. Perhaps related to this news (or not), Mark Kingdon was scheduled to speak in-world at the 7th anniversary of Second Life's launch today, but abruptly cancelled due to an unstated "emergency". Philip Linden appeared in his place."
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im not as happy about this as most will be.
it wasnt until m arrived that ll made any visible attempt to address issues of bugs, etc. i full well remember phils style, and i dont recall it being a very happy place.
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The rat is deserting the ship? Who is next?

This could be a bad sign.
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I have never been anti-M (Auntie Em! Auntie Em!) but he's made some strange blunders that it seems the company and the customers are paying dearly for.

Philip is eccentric in management style, but at least he seems motivated by out-of-the-ordinary aspirations.

I'd rather follow the dreamer any day than a pragmatic corporation. Likely he'll find someone else once things are stable, and this time it might be a better choice.
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This is not going to end well. There seems to be some powerplay going on at the Board of Director's level. I think all of that serial firing backfired on M.
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I have never been anti-M (Auntie Em! Auntie Em!) but he's made some strange blunders that it seems the company and the customers are paying dearly for.

Philip is eccentric in management style, but at least he seems motivated by out-of-the-ordinary aspirations.

I'd rather follow the dreamer any day than a pragmatic corporation. Likely he'll find someone else once things are stable, and this time it might be a better choice.

Second Life always felt different after Philip stepped out of the way.
I can't put my finger on what it was. The one thing I do hope if he is
coming back to man the tiller. it will start to get it's old feeling back.
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I think Kingdon was the guy they brought in to 'bring real-life business into SL'. We all knew how well that would turn out. Hell, my RL-job company had a meeting in-world with M as a speaker, and it was all the same line of drab bullshit that didn't address the real shortcomings of SL as a communications tool.

So, now that his inevitable failure is evident, he's out.
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Philip is eccentric in management style, but at least he seems motivated by out-of-the-ordinary aspirations.
I think personal gain, notoriety and the fawning of the masses is pretty ordinary motivation.
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The internal functioning of the company under The King was as backwards and fail worthy as any I've ever come across that wasn't family owned.




EDIT: The King references Phil, BTW. I always called him that and just realized it could be confusing.

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Sounds like someone who "reads his own press", as my musician friends used to call it. Messes with one's ego-balancing abilities.
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To me, it's interesting to note the *reaction* to the rumor. Most have reacted very positively to the very notion, even jubilantly. Even many who are unsure about Phil's style of leadership seem ready to toss M overboard.

I know that for me *personally* it makes me feel more confident about Second Life as a whole. As Os put it, I'd really rather follow the dreamer.
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Apple booted Jobs, brought in a Pepsi exec--an unimaginative by-the-numbers CEO with no feel for Apple's business--and nearly hit the ropes. Then Apple's board fired Mr. Bricks-for-brains and brought Jobs back in. The rest is legendary Win.

M has no feel for what SL was, is, might be. Another by-the-numbers CEO. I hope this story is true, because M put LL on the ropes faster than did Apple's Sculley, and LL could use a return to its original and successful vision.
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Apple booted Jobs, brought in a Pepsi exec--an unimaginative by-the-numbers CEO with no feel for Apple's business--and nearly hit the ropes. Then Apple's board fired Mr. Bricks-for-brains and brought Jobs back in. The rest is legendary Win.

M has no feel for what SL was, is, might be. Another by-the-numbers CEO. I hope this story is true, because M put LL on the ropes faster than did Apple's Sculley, and LL could use a return to its original and successful vision.
I have never been happy when I see a company push it's creator out the door.

It's like they are separating the soul from the brain.


I hope the rumor is true and he is coming back.
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Apple booted Jobs, brought in a Pepsi exec--an unimaginative by-the-numbers CEO with no feel for Apple's business--and nearly hit the ropes. Then Apple's board fired Mr. Bricks-for-brains and brought Jobs back in. The rest is legendary Win.

M has no feel for what SL was, is, might be. Another by-the-numbers CEO. I hope this story is true, because M put LL on the ropes faster than did Apple's Sculley, and LL could use a return to its original and successful vision.
There is no doubt of the truth of your post but it's also true that American business history is littered with great creative minds that have destroyed their company because their skills were in creating not maintaining the business. I don't buy it but there is good argument that Apple survived BECAUSE they removed Jobs and then again because they brought him back. It never would have made it with Woz in charge.

Don't dismiss someone because they have business acumen, criticize them for their lack of creativity.
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Exactly! Businesses need both business acumen and creativity--a feel for the business that no school can teach.

Think on GM, Ford, Chrysler. Their problems have been due--every time--to a loss of respect for their customers and a failure to look forward in their business, to cast lots on the future. They have all imagined the 50s as their Golden Age, when any piece of tin with fins would sell with enough marketing (unless it was an Edsel). They've been on a downward slope by sticking too much to their 50s formula for success. Of course, there is also the model of the founder with vision who nearly wrecked a company that seemed destined to take over the world: Henry Ford I.
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It's official, Philip is named "interim CEO" though, which is interesting.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...-97074779.html

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SAN FRANCISCO, June 24 /PRNewswire/ -- Linden Lab®, creator of 3D virtual world Second Life®, announced today that company founder Philip Rosedale has been named interim CEO, and CFO Bob Komin has assumed the additional role of COO. Linden Lab also announced that Mark Kingdon is stepping down as CEO.
"On behalf of the board, I thank Mark for all of his contributions during his tenure with Linden Lab which include growing our user base and revenue, increasing the stability of the platform, and nurturing and helping build a world class team," said Rosedale, who will continue to serve on Linden Lab's board of directors.
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And all us little people cheer like they did in that Twilight Zone episode when they toppled the statue they'd been forced to make of the (now dead) giant human who'd invaded their planet!

If we ARE gonna go down, I'd much rather do it with Philip back at the helm!

Onward, through the fog!

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THE KING(DON) IS DEAD! LONG LIVE KING PHILIP!

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I'd be convinced if Philip had sacked Kingdon, and retaken the helm long before Kingdon not only ran the ship aground, but hacked it up and used the hull for firewood.

Too little too late.
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EDIT: The King references Phil, BTW. I always called him that and just realized it could be confusing.


LL just lurches from one Fail to another then back again to Old Fail.
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I don't think Old SL was fail. It was a baby taking its first steps, which is some fail, but not all fail. Nobody had done anything like SL before, so there was bound to be some fail. I think they've learned a lot in the meantime, but there will still be fail. As long as it continues (which wasn't certain even two weeks ago) it's not fail.
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Ok, wait a minute.

How long has M been in charge? Not very long.

The list of complaints, fuckups, outrages about SL have been going on and getting worse as long as I've been there. The corporate angle and fucking over residents to kiss their asses, all that happened under "hippie" Phil. Who did we write the Open Letter to, it sure wasn't M.
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Prediction...

Philip will be in the driving seat for as short a time as possible, and will make a couple of "concessions" to the userbase...

Then they'll find another suit to do the dirty work, piss everyone off, then they'll step down, and Phil will step in as interim CEO to much adulation..

Rinse wash repeat.
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Ok, wait a minute.

How long has M been in charge? Not very long.

The list of complaints, fuckups, outrages about SL have been going on and getting worse as long as I've been there. The corporate angle and fucking over residents to kiss their asses, all that happened under "hippie" Phil. Who did we write the Open Letter to, it sure wasn't M.
Second Life was much more fun before the corporate greed mode took over.
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How long has M been in charge? Not very long.

The list of complaints, fuckups, outrages about SL have been going on and getting worse as long as I've been there. The corporate angle and fucking over residents to kiss their asses, all that happened under "hippie" Phil. Who did we write the Open Letter to, it sure wasn't M.
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Ok, wait a minute.

How long has M been in charge? Not very long.

The list of complaints, fuckups, outrages about SL have been going on and getting worse as long as I've been there. The corporate angle and fucking over residents to kiss their asses, all that happened under "hippie" Phil. Who did we write the Open Letter to, it sure wasn't M.
Ok, I think the fail under M was bigger than the fail under Philip (because it felt like a soulless corporation more than it did under Philip), and nobody bothered to Open Letter M because at that point people had run right into apathy after a lot of the changes M made. There was a little discussion about doing another Open Letter on SLU about a week or so ago, and the response was pretty much, "meh."
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Second Life was much more fun before the corporate greed mode took over.
Philip coded "corporate greed" right into SL, it was *his* plan to begin with, am I the only one who remembers the rending of clothing over the "sellout" of SL to the corporates under Philip?
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Ok, wait a minute.

How long has M been in charge? Not very long.
It's been longer than I realized.

From the SL Wiki:

Philip Rosedale announced to step back from CEO in mid March 2008 and introduced new CEO Mark D. Kingdon (M Linden) one month later. Philip is still an integral part of the company and became chairman of the board.


So it's been over two years.

Yeah, SL has had its issues, especially since 6/6/6, but at least it seemed as though they were listening/were trying. Since M had been at the helm it seemed as though we were praying to a sky of brass.

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That is what we learned was the Big Lie after Open Letter, remember?

Ok, never mind, if people want to remember all that time as sunshine and lollipops now, I'm not going to change any minds.
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Listening and trying?

That is what we learned was the Big Lie after Open Letter, remember?

Ok, never mind, if people want to remember all that time as sunshine and lollipops now, I'm not going to change any minds.
Everything is relative. I think things were bad under Philip, but far worse under M.

I assume that by "the Big Lie," you are referring to how LL responded to Project Open Letter by reassuring us that they were listening and would be doing some things to make SL better...?

Well, as Sans just remarked to me, "They did do something. They did M."

Which makes me think of the adage, "Be careful what you wish for. You might get it."

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