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Old 08-19-2011, 11:28 AM   #81
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Well, my thinking as far as setting goes is Lakota country, and as for plot "what would happen to the Lakota fifty to a hundred years in the future when the rest of society is recovering/suffering from fuel shortages?" I'm pretty sure my children, at least, will be here fifty years in the future and maybe my grandchildren fifty years after that, so we do know at least some Lakota will still be around and they will remember the reservation (though I fully believe the reservation period is close to its end. I mean, how long can we sustain a quarter million Lakota people with benefits promised them a hundred and fifty years ago in perpetuity? The Repugs have been trying for decades to get out of paying for what their ancestors promised. And, we're already dystopian here, where do we go from there?)
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The Charlene Harris wasn't perfect, nor was it Great Literature, but it was fun to read. Hardly "terrible written filth."
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Whoops I meant to say Cherie Priest not Charlene Harris, vampire books are a whole different subject.
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Whichever, I knew what you were talking about.
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So you read boneshaker and didn't chuck it off a bridge? I mean I'm guilty of reading some pretty crappy novels (I have almost the entire battletech collection). But there's crap, and then there's pandering crap in the form of "Hey you know whats popular and doesn't really fit? Zombies, We should add them so we can get hoovered in along with the craze"
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Eh, it wasn't that bad. We're from Washington, so it was fun to identify all the Seattle landmarks in the book. For bad writing, I just can't handle Dean Koontz. I want to take a red pen to his entire collection. I actually get sort of angry reading them.
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Eh, it wasn't that bad. We're from Washington, so it was fun to identify all the Seattle landmarks in the book. For bad writing, I just can't handle Dean Koontz. I want to take a red pen to his entire collection. I actually get sort of angry reading them.
I have read exactly two Dean Koontz novels on my life. The first was maybe 15 years ago, and the other just a year or two ago. In my opinion, his skills have not improved in the interim.

They reminded me of when I picked up one of my daughter's "Sweet Valley High" books back in the 80s to see what all the fuss was about. Coherent plot, correct grammar and spelling, but about as deep as the oil film on an asphalt road after a rain. I'll not bother with one of his books again.

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I've read ALL of them.

And loved the reads.

Until he wrote this ridiculous one a coupla years ago - so bad that I even put a bad review on Amazon.

It was about some kind of ... geez, I've tried to forget it, so it's hard to remember now. have blocked out even the title. But something about some kind of aliens (in dog form, of course) come to spread . . . I don't know, something. Some kind of love or something.

And had an ending that wasn't an ending.

In short, it was the worst pile of CRAP I've ever read.

(Well not really, but definitely the worst pile of crap I ever read from Koontz, and definitely a terrible pile of crap in any case.)

Makes me think his good days are over. On the other hand, there's his Odd Thomas series, so hope springs for that.
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Eh, it wasn't that bad. We're from Washington, so it was fun to identify all the Seattle landmarks in the book. For bad writing, I just can't handle Dean Koontz. I want to take a red pen to his entire collection. I actually get sort of angry reading them.
The only time I've bought a Dean Koontz book is when I was REALLY DESPERATE for something to read at an airport or on a road trip and the alternative was the bodice-ripper harlequin stuff or celebrity autobiographies.
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The only time I've bought a Dean Koontz book is when I was REALLY DESPERATE for something to read at an airport or on a road trip and the alternative was the bodice-ripper harlequin stuff or celebrity autobiographies.
They run out of skymall catalogs or something? I personally can't get enough combination cat groomer/wine rack/werewolf repellents.
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Sans, I love your ideas.

My favorite writers were always old school sci fi- Dad subscribed to Analog magazine and I read Asimov, et al, in their original serial forms, not to mention [of course] the likes of Jules Verne et al.

Imo good sci fi posits future problems and the protagonists' creative solutions to them- and in the process creates whole new areas of technological advancement/ social thinking in rl.

Sara's hubby jokes about Star Trek being "Space Job", but he's really right. Rodenberry created a whole new facet to space exploration via that show, minimizing the militarization of space and sending it a few degrees sideways in the popular consciousness. The fact that now it's become a "space job" future out there is something I'd like to see changed again, however.

I would like to have a summer home on Mars, or perhaps win a cruise one day...

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Isn't it amazing how much business SkyMall does?
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Sans, I love your ideas.

My favorite writers were always old school sci fi- Dad subscribed to Analog magazine and I read Asimov, et al, in their original serial forms, not to mention [of course] the likes of Jules Verne et al.

Imo good sci fi posits future problems and the protagonists' creative solutions to them- and in the process creates whole new areas of technological advancement/ social thinking in rl.

Sara's hubby jokes about Star Trek being "Space Job", but he's really right. Rodenberry created a whole new facet to space exploration via that show, minimizing the militarization of space and sending it a few degrees sideways in the popular consciousness. The fact that now it's become a "space job" future out there is something I'd like to see changed again, however.

I would like to have a summer home on Mars, or perhaps win a cruise one day...
The commute to the zinc mines of Ceres can be a real bitch, but at least it's better than having to work at the methane plants of Titan.

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What about the bible? It's got this all knowing, all powerful, 'god' figure, who instead of using his godly powers to get people to be nice to each other, lays down a really minimalist set of laws, and then drives his people to invade, rape, and murder the followers of other 'gods'. Sometimes he even drowns people for 'being wicked', or maybe it's just for fun.

Then, he has a change of heart, and sends his 'Son' to be tortured and murdered, even come out and says 'All laws before me? Null and void. Here's a much nicer set or rules.' but everyone ignores him. The end.
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What about the bible? It's got this all knowing, all powerful, 'god' figure, who instead of using his godly powers to get people to be nice to each other, lays down a really minimalist set of laws, and then drives his people to invade, rape, and murder the followers of other 'gods'. Sometimes he even drowns people for 'being wicked', or maybe it's just for fun.

Then, he has a change of heart, and sends his 'Son' to be tortured and murdered, even come out and says 'All laws before me? Null and void. Here's a much nicer set or rules.' but everyone ignores him. The end.
Interesting. Would you consider God to be government in this case (the 10 commandments)? Or did each city-state (Jericho, e.g.) have its own government? Or would God be the dystopian system that our heroes have to survive?

In Jesus' case, the dystopian system would be the Romans, I guess. Or maybe the Pharisees?
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Interesting. Would you consider God to be government in this case (the 10 commandments)? Or did each city-state (Jericho, e.g.) have its own government? Or would God be the dystopian system that our heroes have to survive?

In Jesus' case, the dystopian system would be the Romans, I guess. Or maybe the Pharisees?
Jesus is the hero that broke the dystopian cycle, but it would definitely be the Pharisees.
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It's a shit read though.
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FYI: I realize this is a game and not a book, but if you like Distopian themes and vast conspiracy thrillers, the master of the genre Deus Ex just released a new prequel.

And it's fucking amazing. I pre-ordered this like six months ago

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FYI: I realize this is a game and not a book, but if you like Distopian themes and vast conspiracy thrillers, the master of the genre Deus Ex just released a new prequel.

And it's fucking amazing. I pre-ordered this like six months ago
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GameSpy reports it heard from multiple GameStop customers complaining about opened games and missing codes. It also heard from an anonymous source claiming to be a GameStop employee who passed along the note seen below. It shows what appears to be management instructing employees to remove and discard the OnLive codes from all PC copies of the game.

As outrageous as it sounds, a GameStop PR rep, Beth Sharum, confirmed that this was the case, telling GameSpy, "Square Enix packed the competitor's coupon with our DXHR product without our prior knowledge and we did pull and discard these coupons."
Jeez.

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Agreed, but the Romans were defo a part of it. A dual regime. Imagine the average Joe in that era: two governments, two sets of laws, shitty living conditions, etc. Then suddenly along comes our Young Hero, son of a tradesman, offering a Way Out and a different way of dealing with your problems. It would be a very attractive option...

zomg, someone should totally write a book!
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The problem with the Bible is there weren't enough superheros in it. I mean, the burning bush? How lame! It didn't even do anything!
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zomg, someone should totally write a book!
It could be the next "Dianetics!"
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Or the new "Nanny Diaries"...
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zomg, someone should totally write a book!
Ok..but we might need to change a few things for modern sensibilities.

For a start we need way more sex scenes….a few chapters of his dealings with Mary Magdalene and all her Hooker friends.

Also that part where Satan shows him all the kingdoms of the world…and he turns them down…I dunno…I see him more like accepting the deal…proving to Satan that he cannot be corrupted.

Also…the end is a bit depressing. That bit has to go.

Maybe in his trial with Pontius Pilate…he wins the crowd over…Pilate gets lynched…he instigates a bloodless coup….then marches on Rome where he becomes Emperor…marries Mary Magdalene..Satan is best man at the wedding.

God steps down from the throne in Heaven…allowing Satan to take over… ushering in a world of peace, plenty and orgies for all.

Sorry…what were we talking about, again??
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Ok..but we might need to change a few things for modern sensibilities.

For a start we need way more sex scenes….a few chapters of his dealings with Mary Magdalene and all her Hooker friends.

Also that part where Satan shows him all the kingdoms of the world…and he turns them down…I dunno…I see him more like accepting the deal…proving to Satan that he cannot be corrupted.

Also…the end is a bit depressing. That bit has to go.
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