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Old 03-21-2010, 12:56 AM   #1
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You can imagine how pissed off I must be to not censor this headline... I hate this word.

Tea party protesters scream 'nigger' at black congressman

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WASHINGTON — Demonstrators outside the U.S. Capitol, angry over the proposed health care bill, shouted "nigger" Saturday at U.S. Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia congressman and civil rights icon who was nearly beaten to death during an Alabama march in the 1960s.

Protesters also shouted obscenities at other members of the Congressional Black Caucus, spat on at least one black lawmaker and confronted an openly gay congressman with taunts.

Capitol Police escorted the members of Congress into the Capitol after the confrontation. At least one demonstrator was reported arrested.

"They were shouting, sort of harassing," Lewis said. "But, it's okay, I've faced this before. It reminded me of the 60s. It was a lot of downright hate and anger and people being downright mean."

Lewis said he was leaving the Cannon office building to walk to the Capitol to vote when protesters shouted "Kill the bill, kill the bill," Lewis said.

"I said 'I'm for the bill, I support the bill, I'm voting for the bill'," Lewis said.

A colleague who was accompanying Lewis said people in the crowd responded by saying "Kill the bill, then the n-word."
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Yeah, the first person to tell me just how non-racist the Tea Party is will win a brand shiny new boot in the ass.
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It shows the stupidity of that group that was there, or the stupidity of the ones cheering that kind of ignorance.
I do not know much about this group and out of ignorance have kind held to that on purpose. Seems lots of madness all around in politics lately. So many major shifts in America happening at once. On the other hand we are living some major historical moments.

side note in general about this;
I do find it odd to censor it. The N-Word. Makes it more powerful then it needs to be, but I can respect that. It does not offend me when it's cited as facts. I must admit I kinda laugh when ppl say that word that N-Word. Its done simply to not be caught up in any semblance in agreeing with it. P.C. nd all that.
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It is so disgusting that and the video not to long ago about the PHd who was sick with something (forgive I forget) but was there to support giving back and was ridiculed.
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It is so disgusting that and the video not to long ago about the PHd who was sick with something (forgive I forget) but was there to support giving back and was ridiculed.
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I hate the word, I have a nearly physical reaction of revulsion to it, like the person who said it just dripped shit from their mouth down their chest.
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I read this earlier tonight. While I believe that the majority of the tea party is not generally racist, and by that I mean they may have black friends or co-workers that they get along with, there is still a lot of what I call stranger-racism in certain segments of our population.

As well, they haven't acted to disassociate from the blatantly racist, so they don't get to bitch about being painted with the same brush.


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It is horrible that happened. The sweeeeet irony though is that Rep. John Lewis was in a position to effect the dumb bastards that were yelling that. It was only one vote.. but the power was in his hands on that vote. Not to mention the racist scum bags will never achieve a tenth of what Mr. Lewis has in his lifetime. They will always be losers.. Mr. Lewis will be remembered as a hero.

So 'suck on that', bottom dwellers yelling that crap.
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Yeah, it must have been a real joy to be there. In addition to the above, Rep. Barney Frank was called "faggot", and there were these kind of things:








And then, from this article, comes:

And racism and gay-bashing apparently wasn’t all. Add anti-Semitism to the list.

A staffer in Rep. Anthony Weiner’s office reported a stream of hostile encounters with tea partiers roaming the halls of Congress. The less harmful stuff was mockery. But they left a couple of notes behind. One asked what Rahm Emanuel did with Weiner in the shower, in a reference to mess around ex-Rep Eric Massa. It was signed with a swastika, the staffer said. The other note called the congressman “Schlomo Weiner,” among other hate-filled words.


Fuck this shit. This isn't discourse, this isn't "democracy at work", this is plain-old small-minded hate. I'm tired of people telling me they're a minority of the movement, that they are fringe. If this happened at either a Democratic or Republican rally, there would be hell to pay.
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Yeah, I sure want to be associated with people who will wave that shit. Wait... no.

And fucking LaRouche. Lyndon LaRouche, you deserve the asskicking you get every four years, you freakin' putz.
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I'm amazed Ramonna isn't in here rationalizing the way she did on SLU in the exact same thread. It was so enlightening to watch her dance around the issue and refuse to say that it's wrong to use hate speech to intimidate.
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Unfortunate, yes...but I always go back to this basic idea...

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I'm amazed Ramonna isn't in here rationalizing the way she did on SLU in the exact same thread. It was so enlightening to watch her dance around the issue and refuse to say that it's wrong to use hate speech to intimidate.
What ever you want to say kristen I have made where I stand clear. I know you think one side is pure and that is okay.
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Fuck them. Fuck every goddamn last shit-eating racist asshole one of them.

In this day and age, to hate someone because of their shade of melanin is the epitome of idiocy.

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Seriously, I'm so glad I'm not doing any travel abroad right now. Even though I've never had anyone in a foreign country be ugly to me over what they see happening in our politics, not even when traveling in an Islamic country during the Iraq war, it's still mortifying to try and explain some of the weird shit that goes on here.

I can only hope they all have their whack jobs too.
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Well my dad is black, my grandfather was an immigrant in NYC dealt with a large amount of issues there that still to this day effect our family.
They have there right to protest thou. Nothing can be done about that but for others to show there opposing view to the madness.
Funny thou when G.W was in office we never saw this kind of protest when it was needed, or wait...was it squashed?
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What ever you want to say kristen I have made where I stand clear. I know you think one side is pure and that is okay.
Normally Ramonna, I'm not much for sides... because there are rarely just two sides to any issue.

However in this case, I don't see how you can justify anyone, on any side of a political opinion using racist language. It's nothing but ugly.

I can say with a high degree of certainty that everyone in this thread who is condemning this language at the tea party would condemn it wherever they say it, regardless of who used it.

This isn't about sides - this is about right and wrong.
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Lewis said. "But, it's okay, I've faced this before. It reminded me of the 60s. It was a lot of downright hate and anger and people being downright mean."
Yeah, it's like the past 50 years never happened.
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What ever you want to say kristen I have made where I stand clear. I know you think one side is pure and that is okay.
No, I don't. If someone was calling Ken Blackwell, or Michael Steele, or just someone who cut them off on the highway a nigger, I'd say they were an asshole, and that that kind of language was unacceptable. You don't. You just say the other side is just as bad. Why? Could it be you agree with them that that language is appropriate?
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If you want me to say that people who use those words are assholes fine and yes they are. However that is not the goal, the goal here is to once again use the broad brush that all repugs and tea party people are this way. To the righteous where was their voice when there own side was using these tactics?
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To the righteous where was their voice when there own side was using these tactics?
So, you are saying that leftists used deeply charged racial epithets as part of their political expression? That's what I take you to mean by "there (sic) own side was using these tactics".

So...when, where and who?
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If you want me to say that people who use those words are assholes fine and yes they are. However that is not the goal, the goal here is to once again use the broad brush that all repugs and tea party people are this way. To the righteous where was their voice when there own side was using these tactics?
I'm calling you out on a couple of things:

1. I don't want you to say it, I want it to be something you feel has to be said. For you to put that not first, but much later in your priority queue, is a very big problem. Disavow before anything else.

2. No one - and point to any posts if I missed it, but I believe No One - has implicated Republicans in this. I am specifically calling out the Tea Party, because unless people in the TP disavow the degree of racist, homophobic, and downright dangerous rhetoric that is on display here, they are tacitly approving of it. You are dishonest when you attempt to lump in Republicans, because that is not the issue, and as others have pointed out, this isn't about sides.

It is about how rational people make a democracy work.


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So, you are saying that leftists used deeply charged racial epithets as part of their political expression? That's what I take you to mean by "there (sic) own side was using these tactics".

So...when, where and who?

No what I m saying is the left never muzzled their fringe. The left had never a problem debasing the rights people from porn movies to what ever. Perhaps they never used racial epithets but what they did was just as vile. Yet there was not a call for moderation nor for it to stop.
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Yeah, it must have been a real joy to be there. In addition to the above, Rep. Barney Frank was called "faggot", and there were these kind of things:








And then, from this article, comes:

And racism and gay-bashing apparently wasn’t all. Add anti-Semitism to the list.

A staffer in Rep. Anthony Weiner’s office reported a stream of hostile encounters with tea partiers roaming the halls of Congress. The less harmful stuff was mockery. But they left a couple of notes behind. One asked what Rahm Emanuel did with Weiner in the shower, in a reference to mess around ex-Rep Eric Massa. It was signed with a swastika, the staffer said. The other note called the congressman “Schlomo Weiner,” among other hate-filled words.


Fuck this shit. This isn't discourse, this isn't "democracy at work", this is plain-old small-minded hate. I'm tired of people telling me they're a minority of the movement, that they are fringe. If this happened at either a Democratic or Republican rally, there would be hell to pay.

I have seen those signs before just with the last pres but to one side they were pretty cool then.
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I have seen those signs before just with the last pres but to one side they were pretty cool then.
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Links please.
Don't tell me that Surreal you have seen the Hiltler sfor Bush or the Bush terrorist signs or the impeach Bush signs or the snipers scope on bush, or the monkey bush.
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Bush Sr. came up with Voodoo Economics but no one called him a witch doctor.
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Bush Sr. came up with Voodoo Economics but no one called him a witch doctor.
Gore came up with Willy Horton also but no one gives him the credit.

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I do recall the comparisons between Bush and Hitler, accompanied with a discussion on whether that was alright. I don't hear the discussion on the right. I hear denial. That disappoints.
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Don't tell me that Surreal you have seen the Hiltler sfor Bush or the Bush terrorist signs or the impeach Bush signs or the snipers scope on bush, or the monkey bush.
Not that I recall. Of course I wasn't in the US for the second Bush election... had to vote through my consulate. And I wasn't active in forums.

But it doesn't matter. It's completely unacceptable regardless of who does it or who the target is and should be condemned period... not dismissed with a "everybody does it"
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Not that I recall. Of course I wasn't in the US for the second Bush election... had to vote through my consulate. And I wasn't active in forums.

But it doesn't matter. It's completely unacceptable regardless of who does it or who the target is and should be condemned period... not dismissed with a "everybody does it"
Again nice twist of words. I did come out and say ja those guys are assholes for doing that. Just saying I never noticed anyone of you condemning the assholes on the lefts fringe from the Pink Skanks to Grayson to other righteous dims who played the race card and played on other divisions. All the sudden we have a partisan problem when the dims are in office?
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Again nice twist of words. I did come out and say ja those guys are assholes for doing that. Just saying I never noticed anyone of you condemning the assholes on the lefts fringe from the Pink Skanks to Grayson to other righteous dims who played the race card and played on other divisions. All the sudden we have a partisan problem when the dims are in office?
OK I CONDEMN IT ON BOTH SIDES.

Now we can move on. What now?
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