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Old 03-17-2010, 06:30 AM   #41
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I'd be all FOR letting Angel Leviathan, the individual, come talk here, if there was a way to limit her to one account.
Well she was stalking Bri. I mean actively, noticeably stalking Bri. I think if you are stalking someone all bets are off and I thank the mods for banning for taking care of the 'membership' (whateverthefuckthatis) here.

But Nina and Bri should have the option of coming back if they want. I can understand things being done in the heat of the moment and Leck was in a bad place and she pushed. Humans make mistakes sometimes and I'm ok with that. Its what you do to correct that mistake that interests me and I agree with everything Mulch has said about this.
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I never thought I'd see the day where we'd all band together to get Nina unbanned....

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Yes please

Nina is a miserable gaping black hole of pessimism. She has a place here. Its getting too cute and laa-dee-fuckin-daa lately. Too much love and kitten fluff. We need contrast

And I want Bri back too, even though she hates me. Bri wont come back without Nina
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This is not about who was or was not banned.

But, I do care a lot when forum-defining rules suddenly get an exception, just because.

Who's next?
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I'm hoping it's me, I would suddenly be beloved of the forums if I wasn't here anymore.

Weird how that works.

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I think this is more about doing the right thing. I'm not seeing anyone falling over in love with Nina about this.
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I would lose my license if I wasn't a little snide.

I don't care if nina comes back or not.
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I don't care if nina comes back or not.
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All I'll say here on the OP topic is: Leck's house, Leck's call, and I'll mind my own biz.
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caring about whether or not Nina comes back is not the same as caring about whether or not the ban is lifted
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Allow me to rephrase:

I'm apathetic about both.
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Meh,

One of Nina's hobbies was goading the admins and asking then "What are you gonna do, ban me"

She got her wish.

She got her little martyr badge.
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She didn't reveal personal information about anyone.
She wasn't stalking anyone.
She wasn't spamming.

She pissed off the wrong person at the wrong time.

There are two thoughts to this:
While I understand why, it was still rather arbitrary. There were no rules explicitly broken. However, if you only have black and white rules then you have people who will try and walk that fine line. They play the "I'm not over the line, see, I am not over the line yet" game and they will perpetually walk that line and destroy a community. Therefore, sometimes it is necessary to use better judgment outside of those black and white rules to determine whether someone should remain a part of the community.

The "Don't be an asshat" rule allows the mods to use their better judgment outside of black and white rules of behavior. However, using the rule can seem arbitrary or unnecessary.

I don't know. Ultimately, it is Leck's board. He pays the bills.
Banning Nina has both positive effects and negative effects.

I am of the opinion that this is SCMK2, as such, it is entirely different then SC. It is led by a different group of people, it has different rules, and it has a different dynamic. There is no way it can be the same. Therefore it is strange to attempt to hold it to the same standard.

With that said, I'd like Nina back.
I liked her, although, sometimes it was difficult to truly understand her perspective.
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She didn't reveal personal information about anyone.
She wasn't stalking anyone.
She wasn't spamming.

She pissed off the wrong person at the wrong time.

There are two thoughts to this:
While I understand why, it was still rather arbitrary. There were no rules explicitly broken. However, if you only have black and white rules then you have people who will try and walk that fine line. They play the "I'm not over the line, see, I am not over the line yet" game and they will perpetually walk that line and destroy a community. Therefore, sometimes it is necessary to use better judgment outside of those black and white rules to determine whether someone should remain a part of the community.

The "Don't be an asshat" rule allows the mods to use their better judgment outside of black and white rules of behavior. However, using the rule can seem arbitrary or unnecessary.

I don't know. Ultimately, it is Leck's board. He pays the bills.
Banning Nina has both positive effects and negative effects.

I am of the opinion that this is SCMK2, as such, it is entirely different then SC. It is led by a different group of people, it has different rules, and it has a different dynamic. There is no way it can be the same. Therefore it is strange to attempt to hold it to the same standard.

With that said, I'd like Nina back.
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No bans apart from spammers is what Leck believed in too. I don't know why that changed for him. But evidently it did.

Give him some time to reply to Mulch's post before it all goes apeshit yes?

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I'm in agreement with Mulch's OP. Gabrielle expressed my position well enough for my to quote it here.



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I have held my thoughts to myself until now for obvious reasons.

This is Leck's board and he decides the rules, that includes any rule changes and he does not need to answer to anyone over that in my opinion. However an explanation of what happened from his point of view would be appreciated.

Leck's stated rules up until the nina ban were that there would be no bans here except for spammers (afaik). That does not mean however that exceptions cannot be made when Leck feels it is warranted. If this is the case then it would be great if he could explain that this is an exception to a general rule (rules almost always have exceptions).

Explanations are good, they can stop people losing confidence in a person and a place.

Now on to nina from my perspective. I tend to have a negative view toward some of what she posts (obviously). I don't like what she did in Vengence's thread and I didn't like her racist comments. I do think she was extremely unwise doing what she did when Leck took issue with her. I beleive she could have simply have turned the whole thing around and regained a lot of ground with people if she had simply said something like "Leck, I know you are hurting right now and I am going to let that pass. I am sorry about your Grandma "
Instead she violated the "Don't be an asshat rule" one more time.

Do I think nina did anything worse than anyone else here?
No, of course not.

Do I believe that at any other time she would have got a ban?
No I don't.

Does that mean Leck should not have banned her?
No. I would not tell a person what to do in a place they provide.

Does that mean Leck should reinstate her?
Only Leck can say.

Sometimes life isn't fair and you can say the wrong thing at the wrong time and get more than you bargain for. I think that nina said the wrong thing at the wrong time.

Bottom line is that I believe if Leck doesn't want nina here for whatever reason then she should not be here. Period.
If Leck feels that at an extremely emotional time he made a decision he regrets and wants to reinstate nina then of course should.





The only thing I'd add or quibble over is the "in the heat of the moment" part. I'd characterize it more as the straw that broke the camel's back, with the perspective of real life circumstances robbing Leck of his patience. Like you, Mulch, I wasn't around for a few years, not wanting to be a part of a forum run by Cris, so I don't have a good feel for the history between the two. I'm no fan of Nina but she didn't get on my last nerve so I don't get it. However, it was clear that she did get on Leck's last nerve and that was made clear within the first few days of SCmk2.

Frankly, the continual references to being banned here on Nina's part were tiresome; it seemed like she was gunning for it at times. From that perspective, you might be robbing her of a martyrdom she craved in getting her reinstated.
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No bans apart from spammers is what Leck believed in too. I don't know why that changed for him. But evidently it did.

How can you not know? Did you not see what happened? Leck is somebody who is obviously not afraid to give and take with the best of them; but nina's last comment managed to really, really hurt him - so badly that he was willing to ignore the unwritten "no ban" rule in her case, AND take a break from the forum on top of it.

I've only been here a few weeks - not really long enough to be deeply invested in this place or whatever "ideals" may lay beneath its existence that I'm unaware of. So it doesn't matter to me - if he wants to let nina back in that's fine; if he doesn't, that's fine too far as I'm concerned. But having directly witnessed what happened, I'll insist that what Leck did was at the very least an understandable reaction. Certainly a forgivable one. I don't feel it reflects badly on him or this place at all - the guy's not an automaton.
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This is not about who was or was not banned.

But, I do care a lot when forum-defining rules suddenly get an exception, just because.

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Frankly, the continual references to being banned here on Nina's part were tiresome; it seemed like she was gunning for it at times. From that perspective, you might be robbing her of a martyrdom she craved in getting her reinstated.
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One of Nina's hobbies was goading the admins and asking then "What are you gonna do, ban me"

She got her wish.

She got her little martyr badge.
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I noticed we posted the same sentiment simultaneously, Luc. Over time and with the amount of new users, that little bit of Nina history will understandably get lost. I don't believe at all this was about a one time insensitivity and rudeness to the owner.
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She said it a couple of times. Hardly a hobby.
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To be honest I could not care less. So far my impression is you have to be a real asshat to get banned, so the majority here doesn't have anything to fear. Pissing off the owner of a board is stupid anyway, to do it when he just lost a loved one is being an asshat quadrupled.
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So somebody who pushed the asshat level until it broke got banned... and?
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To be honest I could not care less. So far my impression is you have to be a real asshat to get banned, so the majority here doesn't have anything to fear. Pissing off the owner of a board is stupid anyway, to do it when he just lost a loved one is being an asshat quadrupled.
I'm gonna risk the hatred and say this.

I think there was asshattery on both sides in the incident. The difference being that Leck's part is overlooked and forgiven because he was in deep mourning. Which is understandable.

I'm just saying it takes 2 to tango.
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Why?

Honestly the person never had any post towards anything in within the forums except Bri. His postings were her RL information and trying everything he could to destroy her character. It was not one or two posts it was a flood posts.
I think Angel would classify for the 'no spammers' rule. He was a special case and that banning was needed.

I don't care if Nina comes back or not, but I do miss Bri. While I can totally see why Leck banned Nina - I would have been hard pressed not to do the same had I been in his position - I still hate that she was banned permanently. I think she pushes buttons just to get a rise out of people and so many take the bait and then it turns ugly. Half the time I wonder if it's performance art or if she just doesn't give a ripe shit what she says to anyone...as if none of us are people with feelings in her eyes. What she said to Leck was shitty and I think she knew it would piss him off. Maybe she's somewhere laughing at how easily she can manipulate everyone...

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Besides, I'd be nothing less than an asshat... in a fucking call-out thread

Gloves are off in a call-out thread as far as I'm concerned.
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Gloves are off in a call-out thread as far as I'm concerned.
Is that a rule, or just a general guideline?
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I am just amused that I called someone a whippersnapper.

It's not something I get to do often in day-to-day life.
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:59 AM   #76
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For the serious post.

It is up to Leck to choose to unban Nina or not. I am interested in understanding what events (from Leck's point of view) triggered the ban, but even that is not of my concern.

Would I like to see Nina unbanned, yes I would. Do I agree with Nina? not always.

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Is that a rule, or just a general guideline?
I thought it went without saying

Should be rule number three of the Fight Thread
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I'm gonna risk the hatred and say this.

I think there was asshattery on both sides in the incident. The difference being that Leck's part is overlooked and forgiven because he was in deep mourning. Which is understandable.

I'm just saying it takes 2 to tango.
I won't get on you for it. I will take it one step further and say it takes two to untangle. Given the history, I'm having a hard time seeing an acknowledgement of the error of her ways on Nina's part, too. I don't know what if anything has gone on behind the scenes in the ensuing days since the ban, over and above the "other factors" mentioned by Mulch in the OP.

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a little birdie told me there may be other factors that influenced your decision. if this is true, i would humbly request those factors be made public to avoid harm to the reputation of
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I'm still pretty confident this will be fixed after Leck stops hurting so badly.

I do care if Nina comes back and I hope she does. I came here thinking this was a no mod/no ban kinda place. I quickly learned that it was defiantly a moderated place in the "if you don't like it get the fuck out", "I'm a SC mod I'll do as I please" kind of way. I didn't much care for that but I adjusted because I love this group so much. Even with the moderation I never expected banning and saw it as the only solid law here. Surprised the hell out of me to see it happen but I know if I were hurting the way he was I could of easily done the same. People can't and shouldn't be expected to behave perfectly at a time like that. That's why I'm still pretty confident that when the dust clears a little and the hurt is not so overwhelming this will get sorted out.
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This is a defining moment for , I believe.

I will be repeating what I've said before:

To Gab and those who agree with her, yes indeed, this is Lecktor's house. He can do as he pleases.

But this is also a community built on certain promises, implicit in the very name of this web site.

I won't claim to fully understand the ideal, but I do get the overall sense that is built on one key ideal: no censorship except when we need censorship.

Hence we do not ban (the ultimate censorship) or close threads. Or have admins change people's posts. Moderation is expected to be *very* light.

Thing like revealing RL stuff, spamming, stalking, or breaking the law are all times when we do need to have censorship, because we are (mostly) decent people and don't want this place to be too much of a shit hole.

When do we, as a community, need to censor? Well, I'll tell you this, it isn't when the membership is as divided as we are about whether this particular banning should stand once the emotions have faded. Very few are going to argue Angel's banning, but many are arguing Nina's. And not because such people like Nina, necessarily. Obviously.

So, it's Lecktor's house. But we are here on a promise. If he doesn't fulfill this promise, then we have been duped.

We do have a right to know if the situation here isn't what we expected it to be, because as a group, *we* make this community, not Lecktor. Lecktor facilitates it, but we are the soul of it.

But I say this: if is to fulfill the ideals I understand it to be built on, Nina's ban should be reversed.
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