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Old 02-01-2012, 04:14 PM   #1
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Driving home from the airport last night, Trout and I played a couple of cassette tapes (!) that we bought as a lark. We were both completely silent all the way through "Dark Side of the Moon". I can't remember the last time I actively listened to an album straight through. Sadly nostalgic.

I'm actually amazed that the car's tape player WORKED.

More to the point, though, Trout and I were talking about how a) there are no decent concerts anymore because there aren't any decent bands, and b) albums aren't really created as cohesive works anymore; singers release singles to iTunes, people buy them, and move on. Do people actually buy albums anymore?
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Name one band today on par with Aerosmith or Nirvana or any of the really big Gods of rock that were around when we were young. Except for Dakota who is still young. It seems like they are all either invented by a PR firm or are commercialized to the point of being weak imitations of a band.

It seems like the majority of the popular groups today aren't even bands. They are really good dancers with a band somewhere in the background supporting their dance routines. I want to see a guy with a guitar, a guy with a bass, and some sweaty guy with a crazy look on his face and maybe no shirt wailing on a drum set. (not that I want to see Envoy without his shirt...I just want to see an actual BAND). Rock has lost its edge, country has become pop, and there isn't much left.

I remember when rock bands were HUGE. They would sell out massive arenas and put on an incredible show with lights and explosions and such, but the focus was always five or six guys with instruments who were actually playing the music you heard, and the singer was really singing, not lip syncing.
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Rock is a nostalgia industry now.
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Tom and I were talking about this just a couple of days back, having a heated discussion on where "Rumours" fell on the list of highly rated albums of all time (a respectable 25th if interested, and I was the one who was right in said argument, umm, "discussion")
Anyhow, we both realized there probably hasn't been any album that has been able to stay on the charts for any decent amount of time in recent years. Recent being, oh, maybe let's say 10 or so? Nothing has legs the way music did 20, 30, 40 (!) Years ago. People are too fickle and bands downright suck in comparison. I used to be so on top of what was happening and sadly I have pretty much Zero interest in anything out recently.

Which only serves to make me feel old and decrepit musically.
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Name one band today on par with Aerosmith or Nirvana or any of the really big Gods of rock that were around when we were young.
Foo Fighters
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Korn
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Skunk Anansie (recently reformed)

That's just for starters

There's a fuckton of good stuff out there if you look properly.
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I'll give you Foo Fighters and Chili Peppers.

Those last three? I haven't got a clue who they are.
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I should also have mentioned Muse.

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Oh.

AND SYSTEM OF A DOWN HAVE REFORMED
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There are more genres now. People are spoilt for choice these days. A band is never gonna get that mass rock following because it just isn't there anymore. It's divided into niche tastes.

Having said that, festivals like Glastonbury are as big and relevant now as any festival you went to in days of yore. Live music isn't dead. It's not even showing signs of age. Big stadium-filling acts are not a thing of the past. You're just not going to see them anymore.
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There are more genres now. People are spoilt for choice these days. A band is never gonna get that mass rock following because it just isn't there anymore. It's divided into niche tastes.

Having said that, festivals like Glastonbury are as big and relevant now as any festival you went to in days of yore. Live music isn't dead. It's not even showing signs of age. Big stadium-filling acts are not a thing of the past. You're just not going to see them anymore.
Also, Rock itself has evolved hugely.

The 80s and HAIR FUCKING ROCK are over, thank fuck.
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And artists like Chemical Brothers are turning live music into phenomenal multi-sensual experiences:


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The 80s and HAIR FUCKING ROCK are over, thank fuck.
Kurt Cobain killed cock and hair rock.
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From my perspective bands like Mettalica,(when they were good) and Slayer killed that shit.
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Metallica went soft though. They faded away instead of burned out.
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Remember when you were a kid, listening to whatever you listened to, and your Dad said...

ALL THE SHIT YOU LISTEN TO IS SHIT.

BACK IN MY DAY, WE HAD REAL MUSIC LIKE DUANE EDDY AND PAT BOONE.

YOU KIDS LISTEN TO CRAP.

Well, some folk in this thread are sounding a bit like that
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When all this were nowt but fields and you could run all day on a round of bread and jam.
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Muse, Radiohead, The White Stripes (though they're done now), Tool, Wilco, Arcade Fire, Flaming Lips and that's just off the top of my head and only Rock acts. If you branch out, there's way, way more good stuff coming out. Albums still happen too, sometimes to great acclaim.
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Muse, Radiohead, The White Stripes (though they're done now), Tool, Wilco, Arcade Fire, Flaming Lips and that's just off the top of my head and only Rock acts. If you branch out, there's way, way more good stuff coming out. Albums still happen too, sometimes to great acclaim.
Ok see, I must be old,

Totally forgot about all of them and I'm a huge fan of Radiohead and White Stripes particularly. In fact, I've probably seen Radiohead more than any other band I can think of.

Gah. Bad me.
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Foo Fighters
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Korn
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Monster Magnet
Skunk Anansie (recently reformed)

That's just for starters

There's a fuckton of good stuff out there if you look properly.
All good bands, but not even close to on par with the bands I was thinking of. Bands like Aerosmith, Pink Floyd, The Who, etc, and that's before you get to the true rock gods like the Stones or the Beatles - chalk them up as anomalies who were as huge as they were because they got in early in the movement.

I think that overall, and I know this is a generalization, that things have become so commercial and so safe in the music industry that it's hard to create a real legendary band with a unique sound. That's a huge generalization, though, and I know some bands buck that trend.

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BACK IN MY DAY, WE HAD REAL MUSIC LIKE DUANE EDDY AND PAT BOONE.

YOU KIDS LISTEN TO CRAP.

Well, some folk in this thread are sounding a bit like that
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Even though Gwen Stefani is on her own now, both now and when she was with No Doubt, she put together good albums. I know that some of you more snobby metal heads will probably snicker, but Gwen has her own sound, she's pretty tough, and she's not like every other flash in the pan.

Re: concerts - there are loads of 'get togethers' like Lollapalooza, LilithFair, etc, but there are no true headliner concerts anymore, like the 80s. Which makes me sad, and fuck you Lucifer, the 80s were FUN. Grouchy old man.
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Even though Gwen Stefani is on her own now, both now and when she was with No Doubt, she put together good albums. I know that some of you more snobby metal heads will probably snicker, but Gwen has her own sound, she's pretty tough, and she's not like every other flash in the pan.

Re: concerts - there are loads of 'get togethers' like Lollapalooza, LilithFair, etc, but there are no true headliner concerts anymore, like the 80s. Which makes me sad, and fuck you Lucifer, the 80s were FUN. Grouchy old man.
No disagreements over No Doubt, but I'm not so keen on Stefanwi on her own.

re: the 80s and hair rock.

I hated it then. And I was a serious metalhead. So I guess I was a grouchy old man by the time I was 16

I actually saw the whole hair rock scene as insipid overly commercialised bollocks. If you think about it, what's more cynically commercialised than filling a stadium up with people, and charging them through the nose to see a band so far away they look like ants in the distance.

The plus for me, of that prostitution of rock, was I looked outside of my genres I'd become comfortable in. From about 79 onwards, while on one hand I clung to my older music and , I began to look at it's roots, the Blues, Jazz, Folk, Classical, and developed a deeper appreciation of them. I looked towards the fresh vitality of punk, the soul vibrating properties of funk and got my shit together.

If rock hadn't sold out and lost its soul in the 80s, I'd never have moved forward in my appreciation of music.
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Who remembers 45 rpm singles? Many of the Beatles hits were released only as singles (until collected into albums of their singles).

Is it required to discuss only rock music on albums? My last album purchase--about six months ago--was this:



In the listening to RadioParadise that I do, some--too many!--of the songs played on that internet station are available only by buying the album. Of course, I have many LPs and CDs that--after hearing--I wish that I'd been able to buy just the one song.

I think that all these things that we once considered eternal and invariant about the recorded music business will remain, but as niche markets. Thus, there will remain albums as total pieces of work. And my husband and I still go to performances of Gilbert and Sullivan operettas.
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Govi.. I still have 45s

7 and 10 inch.

I may also have a couple of 78s lying about. (they of course were my mother's, but I dug them out in the early 80s and discovered among other things, the Platters)
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I guess I'm unaware that there have been no headliner tours lately. Yeah there's lollapalooza, but there are plenty of big bands that still go on solo tours.
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All good bands, but not even close to on par with the bands I was thinking of. Bands like Aerosmith, Pink Floyd, The Who, etc, and that's before you get to the true rock gods like the Stones or the Beatles - chalk them up as anomalies who were as huge as they were because they got in early in the movement.

I think that overall, and I know this is a generalization, that things have become so commercial and so safe in the music industry that it's hard to create a real legendary band with a unique sound. That's a huge generalization, though, and I know some bands buck that trend.



OK. Guilty as charged. I can admit it.
Now, I don't know who's currently on the level of the Beatles, but Radiohead is "God" to a lot of people. I'd definitely put them up as one of the alltime great, somewhere around Pink Floyd. Then there's the Chili Peppers and touring bands like Dave Matthews. Muse is pretty freaking big and pretty much everyone I know is a fan of theirs.

Are we including the 90's as being part of the former age of Rock Gods or what? Cause there were a lot of really good, really big rock acts then.
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I guess what you're really saying is none of your favourite 70s and 80s bands are headlining anymore. This might possibly be because it isn't the 70s or 80s.
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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it seems to me that the days of the big tours are over. Possibly this is because the touring bands don't make it to western Washington, or possibly this is because the genre has changed.

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A lot of those 70s, 80s bands still tour, like I think I saw a concert ad somewhere around here for a Journey, Night Ranger, and Kansas concerto. lol

But I can't really laugh, though, I understand your pain.
I went and saw Rush last year, ha.
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Muse is great.
They have some epicly heavy riffs that Metallica or Slayer wish they wrote, and they're not a hard rock/metal band at all.
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I'm not a particularly big fan of theirs, but I do think they're pretty good. Do they get overplayed there or something?
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I just don't like Bellamy's voice. I think he's a gifted musician and songwriter. He's a fantastic pianist. fantastic guitarist. He carries the whole band. I love the music. His voice just ruins it for me. Horrible weak whiney annoying emo voice. Muse would be one of my favourite rock bands if they had a decent frontman. A decent rock or metal frontman. They would absolutely tear it up with a metal singer.

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Old 02-02-2012, 04:11 PM   #40
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Is Pearl Jam still around? That's a damned good band.
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2 users agreed. You should agree too, c'mon, you know you want to. (click it, click it now!)
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