Mormons

[Ishina]

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[Govi]

Mormonism is even more weird than I understood, if those myths are all true beliefs of the Mormons! That certifies Smith as a 19th century Hubbard, in my opinion. Thanks, Ishina.

[kita_dawg]

Is this shit for real? Do they seriously believe all this space-polytheist-jingoist-mumbo-jumbo? (I actually already knew they were jingoists... but not the rest...)

[Envoy Costagravas]

I went to YouTube to get some background on this vid. While it may contain a lot of the believed doctrines of the LDS, it certainly doesn't seem to be either from them or sanctioned by them, and it very well could be a put-down of the LDS.

But, hey, that said...

One time, at the end of a week of hiking in the Zion Nat'l Park area, we spent our last night in St. George, UT. We had a little extra time in the afternoon, so we took a small tour of the area on foot (quite interesting, many historic buildings) including a tour of the local temple. The next day, on our long drive through the desert back through Vegas to home, my wife read aloud from some of the Mormon literature we were given in the temple tour. Basically, it was a "This Is Mormonism" tract.

I'm not sure if I ever laughed as loud or as often, and I know for a fact that at a number of points I said "No way! It actually says that???"

I think the only religion that I ever thought was more preposterously made up out of whole-cloth was Rastafarianism, but at least they could blame that on having developed the doctrine after having smoked a large number of righteous spliffs.

[Ishina]

It's all true, even about the star Kolob, and Jesus being Lucifer's brother. That isn't even all the crazy shit. Smith even said there are people living on the Sun and Moon amongst other things.

The scary thing is, missionaries are trained to keep quiet about the crazier shit until converts are baptised. I wonder why.

[Monna]

All my Mormon info comes from the show Big Love

[Osprey Therian]

All my Mormon info comes from the show Big Love

All mine comes from Plan 10 from Outer Space.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM-PeBnCLx4

[Joy Honey]

All mine comes from South Park

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHdeR5QKvWU

[Questor Sinclair]

That Joseph Smith. What a rogue. :lmao:

[io Kukulcan]

The Mormons are going to get you!

[Ishina]

To be fair though, it isn't that different from actual Christianity.

[Monna]

They look sweet enough

http://happykmd.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/big-love-tv-46.jpg

[Questor Sinclair]

To be fair though, it isn't that different from actual Christianity.

I disagree. Christianity as such is based on the deeds of a real man believed by followers to possess wondrous powers, including that of eternal life after death. He really did say many of the things ascribed to him and he did things which were turned into "miracles" by the time the much-embellished stories reached people in later times. Mormonism, on the other hand, is just space alien bull-crap.

[Amaranthim Talon]

wow - and I thought L Ron Hubbard was out there...
The different religious myths are just amazing- (apologies to the believers amongst us)

/me shakes head

[Gabe Lippmann]

I disagree. Christianity as such is based on the deeds of a real man believed by followers to possess wondrous powers, including that of eternal life after death. He really did say many of the things ascribed to him and he did things which were turned into "miracles" by the time the much-embellished stories reached people in later times. Mormonism, on the other hand, is just space alien bull-crap.

Well, Joseph Smith actually said much of what is ascribed to him as well. There is also no evidence that he didn't walk up a wooded mound one day in western NY.

Additionally, Mormonism can be seen as an offshoot of Christianity.

Anyone that wants to borrow my Book of Mormon is welcome to.

[Ishina]

I disagree. Christianity as such is based on the deeds of a real man believed by followers to possess wondrous powers, including that of eternal life after death. He really did say many of the things ascribed to him and he did things which were turned into "miracles" by the time the much-embellished stories reached people in later times. Mormonism, on the other hand, is just space alien bull-crap.

Sorry, is this sarcasm?

[Vivianne Draper]

I went to YouTube to get some background on this vid. While it may contain a lot of the believed doctrines of the LDS, it certainly doesn't seem to be either from them or sanctioned by them, and it very well could be a put-down of the LDS.

But, hey, that said...

One time, at the end of a week of hiking in the Zion Nat'l Park area, we spent our last night in St. George, UT. We had a little extra time in the afternoon, so we took a small tour of the area on foot (quite interesting, many historic buildings) including a tour of the local temple. The next day, on our long drive through the desert back through Vegas to home, my wife read aloud from some of the Mormon literature we were given in the temple tour. Basically, it was a "This Is Mormonism" tract.

I'm not sure if I ever laughed as loud or as often, and I know for a fact that at a number of points I said "No way! It actually says that???"

I think the only religion that I ever thought was more preposterously made up out of whole-cloth was Rastafarianism, but at least they could blame that on having developed the doctrine after having smoked a large number of righteous spliffs.

all religions are made up out of whole-cloth and all are preposterous. but it helps us put something we can feel but not explain into a bucket that makes sense to some.

[Lucifer Baphomet]

Regarding the "Eternal Marriage" referred to in the video.

It is referred to as a "Marriage sealed in heaven" by them.

Basically, a guy goes to a temple with his wife, and a church elder fucks her through a sheet with a hole in it.

Joe Smith, not satisfied with making up a religion where he could have several wives, set it up so he could fuck other guys wives too.

Funny how one man's elaborate con to fuck as many women as possible caught on.

Or not.

[Gabe Lippmann]

all religions are made up out of whole-cloth

except this one was not, it took what was believed to be the pure version of previous faith and added some other cool stuff like golden tablets and some additional smitings

[Lucifer Baphomet]

Also, I propose that the humans in Battlestar Galactica are dyslexic Mormons...

Look at their gods..

They worship the "Lords of Kobol"

Kobol Kolob Kobol Kolob.

[Vivianne Draper]

except this one was not, it took what was believed to be the pure version of previous faith and added some other cool stuff like golden tablets and some additional smitings

yes it was. all religions, even christianity and judaism, are made up. someone made them up at some point. its all made up, its all mythology. it is a man made way to explain diety, spirituality, etc. made the fuck up.

[Gabe Lippmann]

the point was that the particular religion being discussed was not made up "whole cloth" by the people who founded the religion. it was a morphed version of something that someone else made up ages before, with some new made up additions

[Vivianne Draper]

the point was that the particular religion being discussed was not made up "whole cloth" by the people who founded the religion. it was a morphed version of something that someone else made up ages before, with some new made up additions

aren't they all?

[Osprey Therian]

aren't they all?

Made up whole cloth is the opposite of a morphed version of something that someone else made up ages before, with some new made up additions.

[Tracer Graves]

http://i.imgur.com/nb3e3.png

[Envoy Costagravas]

I would like to thank everyone for the clarification of the concept of "whole cloth", which in my usage was at least partially erroneous. I'm not even sure if it applies to Rastafarianism, but was a rather clumsy use of the term no matter.

[Ishina]

No worries, mon. Relax in ta tings.

[Cherish]

Religion must be one huge conspiracy as 76% of Americans identify themselves as Christians. That is Christians not including other religions.

[Ishina]

Does that make atheists conspiracy theorists?

[Cherish]

That would depend wouldn't it.

[Forest]

except this one was not, it took what was believed to be the pure version of previous faith and added some other cool stuff like golden tablets and some additional smitings

Brass tablets, not gold. And there was no brass in the NA continent when he "found" them.

FWIW I've read the Book of Mormon, at least the one Joseph Smith wrote and it doesn't talk about all the stuff in the video of the OP. I think all that crazy stuff came about with Brigum Young.

[io Kukulcan]

When I first moved to Salt Lake City, I was all prepared to hate the Mormons.
Had my bags packed full of clothes and logic and reason, surely this would be my ultimate weapon against "them".
I'll slay them with the sword of facts and history, and everyone will notice me, and pay attention to me, glory hallelujah!
Upon arrival, I discovered that not everyone in Utah is Mormon, whoa.
Later I discovered that most of "them" were just like me, they were raised in a religion, but now they just blow it off, they don't really give a shit about it.
People are people, where ever they are.
A little later on, I discovered that the "ones" who do give a shit about it actually leave you alone and don't bother you, or make noise, they're all in their homes by around 7 pm, being quiet.
That's a very important thing, are you making noise to bother a lot of people? No? Then we're good.
I know it's more fun to differentiate yourself, and pick sides, and walk around telling everyone how unique and different you are, believe me, I know.
But I know eventually we'll all move beyond this, one funeral at a time.

:om: :wub: :pointlaugh: :devil: :loco: :woohoohoo: :loco: :devil: :pointlaugh: :wub: :om:

[Rose Karuna]

Regarding the "Eternal Marriage" referred to in the video.

It is referred to as a "Marriage sealed in heaven" by them.

Basically, a guy goes to a temple with his wife, and a church elder fucks her through a sheet with a hole in it.

Joe Smith, not satisfied with making up a religion where he could have several wives, set it up so he could fuck other guys wives too.

Funny how one man's elaborate con to fuck as many women as possible caught on.

Or not.

This sounds like something out of Margaret Attwoods book "A Handmaidens Tale"

Freaky ...

[Ishina]

When I first moved to Salt Lake City, I was all prepared to hate the Mormons.

Why would you hate them? They believe in crazy shit and it never gets old laughing at it. They are a gift that just keeps giving.

A mormon knocking at the door sometimes makes my day. Endless comedy possibilities.

[Gabe Lippmann]

There are tons of tablets

The various plates and records referred to in the Book of Mormon and used in making it are (1) the plates of brass; (2) the record of Lehi; (3) the large plates of Nephi 1; (4) the small plates of Nephi; (5) the plates of Mormon; and (6) the twenty-four gold plates of Ether.

[Surreal]

Everything I know about Mormons I learned by being one for my teenage years. (and a great deal of study... don't worry about their beliefs... worry about the Church's economic power)

Frankly, most of the video Ishina posted is bullshit. As is the "fucking thru the hole in the sheet" thing that Lucifer posted. Along with a bunch of stuff various people have posted.

I've got no problem with bashing Mormons, although they aren't any wackier than Catholics in belief or practice, but at least bash them based on facts, not propaganda.

For example, black skin being the mark of Cain was indeed church doctrine until the 70s and no black man could hold the Priesthood. But it had nothing to do with some fallen angel BS and everything to do with adopting American racism as a success strategy.

[Ishina]

FWIW I've read the Book of Mormon, at least the one Joseph Smith wrote and it doesn't talk about all the stuff in the video of the OP. I think all that crazy stuff came about with Brigum Young.

From the Book of Abraham, by Joseph Smith:

And thus there shall be the reckoning of the time of one planet
above another, until thou come nigh unto Kolob, which Kolob is after
the reckoning of the Lord's time; which Kolob is set nigh unto the
throne of God, to govern all those planets which belong to the same
order as that upon which thou standest.

[Envoy Costagravas]

There are tons of tablets
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/images/Basic_BOM_Plates_2.jpg

[Ishina]

For example, black skin being the mark of Cain was indeed church doctrine until the 70s and no black man could hold the Priesthood. But it had nothing to do with some fallen angel BS and everything to do with adopting American racism as a success strategy.

And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.- 1 Nephi 5:21

[Gabe Lippmann]

Steve Young had a wicked hip shake in the pocket and a quick release.

[Vivianne Draper]

Religion must be one huge conspiracy as 76% of Americans identify themselves as Christians. That is Christians not including other religions.

conspiracy no. mythology yes


not that 76% of americans means jack and shit.

[Vivianne Draper]

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/images/Basic_BOM_Plates_2.jpg

this makes my head hurt

[Io Zeno]

One time, at the end of a week of hiking in the Zion Nat'l Park area, we spent our last night in St. George, UT....

I really want to visit Zion Park, is it as beautiful as it looks in photos?

[Vivianne Draper]

I really want to visit Zion Park, is it as beautiful as it looks in photos?

I visited it as a child and I've never forgotten how beautiful it was. We camped on a mesa one evening and looking up there were more stars in the sky than I've ever seen before or since.

[Envoy Costagravas]

I really want to visit Zion Park, is it as beautiful as it looks in photos?
I was taking stereo photos on a couple of our trips there, I wish I could share that online. Zion and Bryce are within a couple hours of each other, and the two contain some of the most amazing and accessible day hikes anywhere.

In particular, the Angel's Landing hike in Zion is beyond belief, at points almost like mountain climbing. Great things like Walter's Wiggles:

http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/albums/images/d-walters-wiggles_jpg.jpg

... and the great stretch just before the end where you are using embedded hardware (chains) to assist you, with drop-offs on both sides:

http://www.ccnationalparks.com/images/zion_angels_landing.jpg

... and you eventually end up out here, looking West out of the canyon:

http://static.flickr.com/55/153408786_f98fca5540_b.jpg

The other great thing in Zion is hiking up The Narrows, where you do the majority of the hike in the river, with sheer cliffs rising up above you on either side.

Oh, it is a wonderful place. We might go in the end of June!

[Questor Sinclair]

Well, Joseph Smith actually said much of what is ascribed to him as well. There is also no evidence that he didn't walk up a wooded mound one day in western NY.

Additionally, Mormonism can be seen as an offshoot of Christianity.

Anyone that wants to borrow my Book of Mormon is welcome to.

I don't know a great deal about Mormonism (or The Church of Latter Day Saints, as it's followers prefer) and I didn't intend to imply that Joseph Smith never said any of the things ascribed to him. I wouldn't argue that he never walked up any hills either. My point was that while my own researches tell me that Jesus Christ, as he came to be called, was an historical (and quite human) character, I don't believe the celestial being called Moroni who supposedly visited Joseph Smith in 1820 ever really lived. And I don't accept that the buried plates revealed to Smith, upon which the teachings of Mormonism came to be based, but which were sadly lost (such a shame) ever existed either.

I do accept that Mormonism can be considered an offshoot of Christianity, since Jesus was written into the story, though it doesn't strike me as a form of Christianity in itself. But I say again, I don't know Mormonism to any depth.

[Mulch]

Steve Young had a wicked hip shake in the pocket and a quick release.

many moons ago i worked on a fox tv show call fox all star challenge

it was a celebrity race/american gladiators type of show

the day before taping was a dry run testing all the equipment and i got to wear a helmet cam and run some of the games/obstacles

in addition to tia carrerra (who i got to swim with), dan cortez, jerry rice, and junior seau, the show was hosted by steve young and daisy fuentes

i had just finished playing this 2 on 2 game where we chased a ball on a padded chess board thing and hit each other with these giant q-tip looking things. they had us do interviews with daisy and steve as it was a complete dry run

well, since it wasnt legit, they started tearing into us. they were saying i hit like a girl and that i wasnt even trying

i thanked them and said to steve young "you are my favorite quarterback mr montana"

pwned

[Io Zeno]

Thanks, Evnoy and Viv. :)

Yes, well, I guess I will be wading in water because I am scared of heights. :p

[Ishina]

my own researches tell me that Jesus Christ, as he came to be called, was an historical (and quite human) character,

What is your research based on?

[Envoy Costagravas]

Yes, well, I guess I will be wading in water because I am scared of heights. :p
You'll love it...

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jensenl/visuals/album/2006/narrows/IMG_5016.JPG

[Io Zeno]

http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/city-vs-city/36193d1234660727-what-your-favorite-national-park-13court_of_the_patriarcs_zion_national_park.jpg

[Monna]

Okay I know this will be like porn please all you lovely people please hold on and look below.





































































http://rlv.zcache.com/mitt_romney_2012_bumper_sticker-p128091527549250683trl0_400.jpg

Ohhh Io why do you so lewdly touch yourself like that?

[Io Zeno]

:fist:

[Trout]

many moons ago i worked on a fox tv show call fox all star challenge

it was a celebrity race/american gladiators type of show

the day before taping was a dry run testing all the equipment and i got to wear a helmet cam and run some of the games/obstacles

in addition to tia carrerra (who i got to swim with), dan cortez, jerry rice, and junior seau, the show was hosted by steve young and daisy fuentes

i had just finished playing this 2 on 2 game where we chased a ball on a padded chess board thing and hit each other with these giant q-tip looking things. they had us do interviews with daisy and steve as it was a complete dry run

well, since it wasnt legit, they started tearing into us. they were saying i hit like a girl and that i wasnt even trying

i thanked them and said to steve young "you are my favorite quarterback mr montana"

pwned

LOL!

That's cold. Hilarious, but c-o-l-d.

[Forest]

I really want to visit Zion Park, is it as beautiful as it looks in photos?

I've been to every major national park west of the Mississippi river and most minor ones as well as many state parks and Zion is my clear #1 park, even above Yellowstone or Muir Woods. As amazing as photos of it are it's even better in real life.

As a side note, in addition to Bryce Canyons and the other sites there is a National Monument call Cedar Break just north of the AZ border that is also amazing and if you can visit during wildflower season you will not regret it.

[Cherish]

Crater Lake not even in the running?

[Forest]

Crater Lake not even in the running?

It's in the top tier, but Zion really is amazing. Hard to explain

[Surreal]

And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.- 1 Nephi 5:21

Don't mistake text for doctrine.

[Surreal]

Ishina,

While you apply it uniformly, that axe you're grinding is still an axe.

[Io Zeno]

I keep thinking Surreal is Scrim. :p

[Surreal]

I can't believe I don't own John Carpenter's The Thing on DVD. *goes back to sorting DVDs*

[Io Zeno]

God I watched that movie at least a dozen times.

Rare that a remake is that good.

[Surreal]

I keep thinking Surreal is Scrim. :p

I'm having a Nihilistic week. Back to fuzzy bunny Surreal next week.

http://kimberly.lzrd.com/vorpal.jpg

[Ishina]

Don't mistake text for doctrine.

It's from the Book of Mormon. I'd say it goes above and beyond any Mormon 'doctrine' since it's apparantly the words of a god, translated by a 'saint'

[Ishina]

Ishina,

While you apply it uniformly, that axe you're grinding is still an axe.

It's harmless fun mocking silly myths.

[Mulch]

i dated several mormon girls in high school

man were they good at rebelling

i think that happened cuz i got confused between lds and lsd

[Surreal]

It's from the Book of Mormon. I'd say it goes above and beyond any Mormon 'doctrine' since it's apparantly the words of a god, translated by a 'saint'

*bangs head*

I know you're not this dense, so you're just having me on. Break over... back to grinding for anatomy & physiology exam in two hours - want to know anything about cell membranes? I'm your girl.

[Io Zeno]

You want nihilism, read The Road.

(Didn't see the movie, the book is a sparse, nihilistic wonder, however. Makes every other dystopian story seem wildly optimistic)

[Tormie Baarer]

I'm having a Nihilistic week.

Dammit. Now everyone's gonna think I copied off the smart girl. :tears:

[Ishina]

*bangs head*

I know you're not this dense, so you're just having me on. Break over... back to grinding for anatomy & physiology exam in two hours - want to know anything about cell membranes? I'm your girl.

Elaborate. What are you disagreeing with?

[Lexxi]

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/images/Basic_BOM_Plates_2.jpg

They really need to get around to translating those sealed plates. Instead of serving food on them. For all we know it could contain very important information. Like the meaning of "42".

[Mulch]

Dear Surreal

Permeable or semipermeable?

[Amaranthim Talon]

So i googled to see if i found anything else about Mormons and outer space and found this interestingly phrased question:

"Is jesus mormon an alien from outer space?
a irish freind of mine told me dat mormons beleive jesus was an Alien fro outer space. He told me that jezus & his brother looked at teh earth one day form their spaceship and see that the american were killing all the indians. so as an punishment jesus created black people to punnish the americans for their sins. And that's why black people are so violent and do murders and stuff.

can anybody tell me if this the true? imo would explain a lot of misteries, like why their are hardly blacks people in Utah. and why black africans do a lot of crime. peace"

This was from Yahoo Answers - somehow I find it more disturbing that someone wrote out a question like that than that anyone may or may not believe such a thing. :facepalm:

[Ishina]

somehow I find it more disturbing that someone wrote out a question like that than that anyone may or may not believe such a thing.

Uh... really now?

Anyway, did any Mormon answer it at all?

[Amaranthim Talon]

The purposefully bad spellings to be 'cool' just grated on me i guess.

And the best answer I found was this one:

"The concept that Mormons believe we came from aliens is what is known as a strawman -- something that is intended to denigrate or cause confusion about LDS ("Mormons") beliefs.

The members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, LDS or as popularized, the Mormons, teach that we are the spirit children of God and that we come to earth to receive mortal bodies and to be tested. The testing is so that we can come to know our true natures, of what we are and what we can become.

Our faith is completely centered on the teachings of Jesus Christ, regardless of what critics (largely anti-Mormons) want you to believe.

To fully understand our teachings, you really need to hear what we have to say about them, not what others want you to believe about us.

The best places to start (on the internet) are the Church web sites, listed in the sources section.

As to your question, the answer is a firm "no." That is not part of our teachings or our doctrine.
Source(s):
http://www.lds.org/ (main web site -- includes on-line scriptures, lesson manuals, talks, policies, and aids for LDS members.
http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/ -- an introduction to the LDS faith.
http://jesuschrist.lds.org/ -- LDS view of Jesus Christ."

[Ishina]

And the best answer I found was this one: "The concept that Mormons believe we came from aliens is what is known as a strawman -- something that is intended to denigrate or cause confusion about LDS ("Mormons") beliefs.
[...]
As to your question, the answer is a firm "no." That is not part of our teachings or our doctrine."


From that website:

Jesus Christ and the Universe

As part of the right of priesthood, Abraham was also given special patriarchal records to preserve. These records contained “a knowledge of the beginning of the creation, and also of the planets, and of the stars, as they were made known unto the fathers” (Abr. 1:31).

Abraham included information about the Creation of the earth and the structure of the universe in his record. Some of it undoubtedly came from the patriarchal texts in his possession, which he said he would attempt to pass on. However, significant information about the sun, moon, and stars was obtained through the Urim and Thummim, tools of revelation that Abraham was given while he still resided in Ur. Even a knowledge of the greatest of the governing spheres of the endless universe, Kolob by name (see Abr. 3:3–4), was revealed to the patriarch—a unique contribution in all of scripture. As fascinating as this knowledge of astronomy is, the far more important issue here may be why the information was given. The revelation helped teach Abraham (and thus all who would read his record) the greatness of Jesus Christ—the awesome and premier position of the Only Begotten Son relative to all other beings and objects in the Father’s vast kingdom. By explaining to Abraham the truly divine grandeur of something that might engage the mind of any mortal on a clear night—the stars of creation—God could go on to teach the even greater significance of something that one pondering the heavens might consider—the role of the Lord of creation.

Abraham learned that just as one planet or star is greater than another until one comes to Kolob—the great governing one (see Abr. 3:9)—so, too, one spirit is greater than another until one comes to Jesus Christ—the great governing one (see Abr. 3:19, 24). A careful comparison of the characteristics of Kolob with the characteristics of Jesus Christ demonstrates that Kolob was, and is, a profound symbol of the Savior. We offer a few examples. Just as Kolob is “the great one” (Abr. 3:3), so Jesus Christ is “the Great I AM” (D&C 29:1). Just as Kolob is “the first creation” (Facsimile 2, fig. 1), so Jesus Christ is the first creation—“the firstborn” (D&C 93:21) of our Father’s most important creations, his children. Just as Kolob is the source of light for other stars and planets (see Facsimile 2, fig. 5), Jesus Christ is the source of light for the immensity of space, including the sun, moon, stars, and earth (D&C 88:5–13). Truly, the book of Abraham is a remarkable text, preserving a unique testimony of Jesus Christ written in the design of the physical universe and emphasizing again that all things do indeed testify of the Savior (see Moses 6:63).

Illuminated and fortified by this soul-expanding knowledge, Abraham was better prepared (as are we) to comprehend the loftiest, most ennobling and significant of the truths associated with existence itself. That truth is the reason for the creation of the heavens and earth, the placement of life thereon, and the role of Jesus Christ in this grand scheme.

I read that and I think 'Jesus in a spaceship' 'aliens' and 'scientology'. Dunno about anyone else.

I also don't know why Mormons seem so offended by getting called aliens. Aliens are cool. Much cooler than not-quite-alien-spirit-people.

[Vivianne Draper]

It's harmless fun mocking silly myths.

its prejudice. have fun with that.

[Ishina]

its prejudice. have fun with that.

If it was just a stand alone fictional story, it would still be stupid, and I bet you'd be laughing at it too. It’s no Lord of the Rings, is it? It might make a cheap Saturday morning kids cartoon, but that’s about it.

What's wrong with laughing at it? It's funny. Am I prejudice because I find Mormon belief funny?

[Monna]

Ishy is very much like Aimee in some respects...

[Forest]

The purposefully bad spellings to be 'cool' just grated on me i guess.

It really bugs me too. I blame texting I guess but it really grates on me when people are too lazy to type "you" or "are" and use u and r instead.

(Full disclosure my second college degree was in Literature. :p )

[Ishina]

To be fair, I think the person asking the question was trolling.

[Bunnie]

I was raised Mormon until about the age of 12, when I started refusing to go to church with the family. I HATED going to the LDS church. I was also baptized as a Mormon when I was 11.

Every Mormon family I knew was big! Very close also. When one of the members lost their job, the church paid for their mortgage, car payment, and food/clothing and other needs for 3 months. I always thought that was way cool.

[Lucifer Baphomet]

It really bugs me too. I blame texting I guess but it really grates on me when people are too lazy to type "you" or "are" and use u and r instead.

(Full disclosure my second college degree was in Literature. :p )

U R Rite

I also h8 those smrtarses who use shrthand

pitmann U suxk

[Envoy Costagravas]

You want nihilism, read The Road.

(Didn't see the movie, the book is a sparse, nihilistic wonder, however. Makes every other dystopian story seem wildly optimistic)
Oh, man... :qft: in spades! That book makes the term "bleak" sound like a Pollyana-ish compliment. I won't even consider seeing the movie. And I actually sought out a first edition copy, as well, because I plan on having it in my collection for the duration.

Thanks for reminding me. How is it you go from the beauty of the Utah nat'l parks to this in a few short posts? :eyebrow:

[Io Zeno]

Yes, I added the tags: atheists lol and agnostics lol. I would have added: pagans lol and buddhists lol but 2 is my limit. :(

[Textured Surface]

I would have added: pagans lol and buddhists lol but 2 is my limit. :(

done.

[Vivianne Draper]

If it was just a stand alone fictional story, it would still be stupid, and I bet you'd be laughing at it too. It’s no Lord of the Rings, is it? It might make a cheap Saturday morning kids cartoon, but that’s about it.

What's wrong with laughing at it? It's funny. Am I prejudice because I find Mormon belief funny?

I don't think you are prejudiced against Mormons in particular. They are one of many beliefs you find "funny." Personally, I find it abhorrent to point fingers at people and laugh -- whether it be because of their belief systems, their appearance, their race, or whatever it is you happen to find worthy of your derision. The thing is, its not funny. You aren't laughing. You are condescending. You are deriding. You are putting them down. I dunno... maybe you think that by putting these and all believers down it somehow gives credence to your own beliefs or lack thereof. I just think it makes you mean and cruel.

And you were in the parking lot
Subterranean by your own design
The virtue of your style inscribed
On your contempt for mine
--Joni Mitchell, The Boho Dance

[Forest]

U R Rite

I also h8 those smrtarses who use shrthand

pitmann U suxk

:fist:

[Io Zeno]

How many atheists does it take to change a light bulb?

Two. One to actually change the bulb, and the other to videotape the job so fundamentalists won’t claim that god did it.



A Rabbi was walking and a arrogant atheist approached him and declared "I am a atheist and free thinker".

To which the Rabbi replied "Do you think God Cares?"

:rimshot:

[Amaranthim Talon]

It really bugs me too. I blame texting I guess but it really grates on me when people are too lazy to type "you" or "are" and use u and r instead.

(Full disclosure my second college degree was in Literature. :p )

Oops - I am guilty of the u and r thing though :blush:

[Ishina]

I don't think you are prejudiced against Mormons in particular. They are one of many beliefs you find "funny." Personally, I find it abhorrent to point fingers at people and laugh -- whether it be because of their belief systems, their appearance, their race, or whatever it is you happen to find worthy of your derision. The thing is, its not funny. You aren't laughing. You are condescending. You are deriding. You are putting them down. I dunno... maybe you think that by putting these and all believers down it somehow gives credence to your own beliefs or lack thereof. I just think it makes you mean and cruel.

First off, lets be clear right now that I'm not mocking peoples appearance and race, and those things are not even remotely the same as mocking a persons belief.

That said, I assure you, I am laughing. This is indeed my happy mirthful face and I indeed find humour in the Mormon myths. It is bizarre bullshit, wouldn’t you agree? I think I've been pretty clear in this thread that I'm laughing at the myth more so than the actual people who believe in the myth. I said one thing about having a laugh when they knock at the door, and I don‘t feel the need to excuse that. Other people have laughed at the people, but you have not pulled them up because of it. I'm not sure why.

Also, I don't need to give credence to what I believe if I believe it. You don’t know what I believe though, so I dunno where we‘re going with this.

As for being mean and cruel: I’m young and foolish. And with role models like you to look up to, what do you expect?

[23rdDjin]

Oops - I am guilty of the u and r thing though :blush:

u r

[Vivianne Draper]

First off, lets be clear right now that I'm not mocking peoples appearance and race, and those things are not even remotely the same as mocking a persons belief.

That said, I assure you, I am laughing. This is indeed my happy mirthful face and I indeed find humour in the Mormon myths. It is bizarre bullshit, wouldn’t you agree? I think I've been pretty clear in this thread that I'm laughing at the myth more so than the actual people who believe in the myth. I said one thing about having a laugh when they knock at the door, and I don‘t feel the need to excuse that. Other people have laughed at the people, but you have not pulled them up because of it. I'm not sure why.

Also, I don't need to give credence to what I believe if I believe it. You don’t know what I believe though, so I dunno where we‘re going with this.

As for being mean and cruel: I’m young and foolish. And with role models like you to look up to, what do you expect?

you hate me. i am definitely not a role model for you. try luc. you are indeed foolish and i don't know or care about your age but it isn't an excuse. all religions are pretty bizarre. I don't feel the need to laugh at them. apparently you do. hope it justifies your cruel little world or whatever it does for you. have fun with it. and yes mocking appearance and race is about the same as mocking their beliefs. i mean what the fuck part about MOCKING do you not get. Its not done in fun. They aren't "in on it." Its not friendly. Its mean and cruel at worst and just ignorant at best.

[Io Zeno]

If she chooses Luc she may grow up to be a Satanist. :nope:

[Lucifer Baphomet]

I don't think you are prejudiced against Mormons in particular. They are one of many beliefs you find "funny." Personally, I find it abhorrent to point fingers at people and laugh -- whether it be because of their belief systems, their appearance, their race, or whatever it is you happen to find worthy of your derision. The thing is, its not funny. You aren't laughing. You are condescending. You are deriding. You are putting them down. I dunno... maybe you think that by putting these and all believers down it somehow gives credence to your own beliefs or lack thereof. I just think it makes you mean and cruel.

Are you telling me I can't point and laugh at GLE?

[Ishina]

you hate me. i am definitely not a role model for you. try luc. you are indeed foolish and i don't know or care about your age but it isn't an excuse. all religions are pretty bizarre. I don't feel the need to laugh at them. apparently you do. hope it justifies your cruel little world or whatever it does for you. have fun with it. and yes mocking appearance and race is about the same as mocking their beliefs. i mean what the fuck part about MOCKING do you not get. Its not done in fun. They aren't "in on it." Its not friendly. Its mean and cruel at worst and just ignorant at best.

I don't hate you. That was last month.

You've not even read my post either.

[Vivianne Draper]

If she chooses Luc she may grow up to be a Satanist. :nope:

nuttin wrong with that

[Io Zeno]

An atheist buys an ancient lamp at an auction, takes it home, and begins to polish it. Suddenly, a genie appears, and says, “I’ll grant you three wishes, Master.” The atheist says, “I wish I could believe in you.” The genie snaps his fingers, and suddenly the atheist believes in him. The atheist says, “Wow. I wish all atheists would believe this.” The genie snaps his fingers again, and suddenly atheists all over the world begin to believe in genies. “What about your third wish?” asks the genie. “Well,” says the atheist, “I wish for a billion dollars.” The genie snaps his fingers for a third time, but nothing happens. “What’s wrong?” asks the atheist. The genie shrugs and says, “Just because you believe in me, doesn’t necessarily mean that I really exist.”

[Lucifer Baphomet]

If she chooses Luc she may grow up to be a Satanist. :nope:

If she chooses Bulbasaur she can have a vine whip and leaf cut attack.

[Ishina]

If she chooses Bulbasaur she can have a vine whip and leaf cut attack.

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6817/fprinceofpermaf6e028.jpg

[Ishina]

An anxious soon to be Mormon father spoke frantically into the phone, "My wife is pregnant and her contractions are only two minutes apart!"

"Is this her first child?" the doctor asked.

"No, you idiot!" the man shouted. "This is her husband!"

[Richard Waveington]

I feel so sorry for the kids they send around door to door..

[Io Zeno]

nuttin wrong with that

She will start listening to that heavy metal music and taking drugs. :nope:

[Io Zeno]

http://thetruthandlight.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/satanizm_satanist11.jpg

[Io Zeno]

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/jackgreen7/SatanIsMyLord.jpg

[Ishina]

She will start listening to that heavy metal music and taking drugs. :nope:

Pfft... Darkstep makes heavy metal sound like it wears a pink dress and glass slippers

2Diyn7Tpcr4

[IsaDaft Trollop]

She will start listening to that heavy metal music and taking drugs. :nope:

I was sad to hear that Peter Steele died =(

I was looking forward to the next Type O Negative cd.

[kita_dawg]

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/jackgreen7/SatanIsMyLord.jpg

That gives me a great idea! I gotta find some Bible quotes that talk about the devil and his hatred towards humanity, put those passages on big signs, and start picketing with the nuts! Maybe even throw in a few about God's endless love and compassion and some of that Jesus person's love thy neighbor stuff just to further confuse them. :D

[Io Zeno]

Pfft... Darkstep makes heavy metal sound like it wears a pink dress and glass slippers



Not really.

/pats head

:p

I prefer traditional, you will play traditional Satanic music in this house, young lady.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej9llPNLL2I

[kita_dawg]

Pfft... Darkstep makes heavy metal sound like it wears a pink dress and glass slippers

2Diyn7Tpcr4


Geezus! Do those guys ever get to the point in their songs? If they cut that one in half it STILL would have been too long. There wasn't even enough substance to it to justify a song. Like eurotrash club trance. Blech.

[Io Zeno]

Had to change that slayer vid, the sound on the first was awfully tinny.

Anyhoo. Hail Satan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofamFBk92Pk

[Ishina]

What is that folk shit? Get it out of my thread.

Ku0RH36iVog

[Io Zeno]

Bad techno makes me a sad bunny, Ish.

http://ralucauca.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/sad_bunn.jpg

[kita_dawg]

Ohhhhh I see! Ishina LIKES eurotrash trance.

*points and laughs*
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Ishina]

Why are you persecuting me?

[Io Zeno]

Because we are old skool Satanists. :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4by8NaLYhRk

[Lucifer Baphomet]

Ohhhhh I see! Ishina LIKES eurotrash trance.

*points and laughs*
:lol: :lol: :lol:

VIV'S GONNA SPANK JOO

[Ishina]

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.

A3CzptgIvcU

[kita_dawg]

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.

A3CzptgIvcU

The videos are almost as funny as the music.

[Ishina]

The videos are almost as funny as the music.

You've never seen the Baptazia vids??

ohmhZVjaqQo

[Govi]

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.

A3CzptgIvcU
I wonder how the original soundtrack sounded?

[Ishina]

I wonder how the original soundtrack sounded?

Ask and ye shall receive

215C-tadRmk

[Forest]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mftz4gY7okk&feature=youtube_gdata

[23rdDjin]

:fist: you dang kids and yer devil's music!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcE7_uZVyh4

[Imnotgoing Sideways]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a15KgyXBX24

[Ishina]

This thread is now officially gay

[io Kukulcan]

Here's some I took on a recent trip to Moab and Dead Horse Point:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1273/4661162359_9a8253dba3_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4066/4661162487_74dc1a4222_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4027/4661783330_b23e3cdeab_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/4661162439_dbb285bc50_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4042/4661783378_1a426d0e16_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4661162653_003656dd5d_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4661799340_930e3115bd_b.jpg

[Envoy Costagravas]

Nice pics, io. A lot of people look at pictures from the Four Corners area and just assume the colors have been adjusted/altered, but it really is a feast for the eyes - naturally.

[Imnotgoing Sideways]

This thread is now officially gay

http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/jesus/Gay%20Jesus_files/jesus%20kiss.jpg

[IsaDaft Trollop]

Pretty pictures..

Mr. K lives in Utah. And believe me, he ain't no mormon or moron.

[Govi]

Ask and ye shall receive

215C-tadRmk

Thank you. :clapping2:

I was hoping for something more coherent from them. Oh, well.

[Surreal]

You want nihilism, read The Road.

(Didn't see the movie, the book is a sparse, nihilistic wonder, however. Makes every other dystopian story seem wildly optimistic)

I loathed that book.

[Surreal]

It's silly fun mocking harmless myths.

/fixed

It's petty to mock people's "born of a virgin" myths and stupid to do so while ignoring ones that aren't harmless.

Instead of laughing at Mormon doctrine, you should instead be extremely worried about their economic and political clout... especially their ability to deliver the US vote.... as well as their very homophobic attitudes and the way they leverage them politically.

[Io Zeno]

I loathed that book.

I liked it. It was a horrible story, no doubt but haunting.

[Surreal]

I liked it. It was a horrible story, no doubt but haunting.

There are only so many ways I can suspend my disbelief...

[Io Zeno]

There are only so many ways I can suspend my disbelief...

What was unbelievable about it?

[Surreal]

What was unbelievable about it?

What were they breathing.

[Io Zeno]

He never tells you exactly what happened, other than something did and the planet is dead.

[Surreal]

He never tells you exactly what happened, other than something did and the planet is dead.

If all the plant life is dead, there's nothing to breathe.

(Edited to add: I think I made an A on my Anat & Phys exam and now that I've unwound with this LARGE glass of wine, I'm going to bed)

[Io Zeno]

Then again, you don't know if the whole planet is dead, you only know that the US is wiped out. That is why he is on the road, hoping there is something, somewhere.

It's not something I took literally, anyway. It was... mythic.

[Lain (is Bams)]

I was at the transit station the other day and there were two girls going from person to person asking them if they believed in Jesus and had they heard about the LDS Church.

That's not the funny part. The funny part was the look on the one girl's face. She looked like someone was holding her puppy at gunpoint and forcing her to do it. I felt pity for her, it was obvious what she was doing wasn't for her personal fulfillment.

That's really my issue with any church, that they can't just say... "That's cool, you believe X, Y or Z and that's fine with me, let's just get along". It's all about... my religion kicks your religions ass and my god has a bigger dick than your god. :shrug:

:bong:

[Cale Vinson]

Funny how one man's elaborate con to fuck as many women as possible caught on.


I don't think that Trout went as far as that Luc, I'm pretty sure he left it at the pics .........










:D

[Ishina]

/fixed

It's petty to mock people's "born of a virgin" myths and stupid to do so while ignoring ones that aren't harmless.

Instead of laughing at Mormon doctrine, you should instead be extremely worried about their economic and political clout... especially their ability to deliver the US vote.... as well as their very homophobic attitudes and the way they leverage them politically.

Excuse me, who are you again? Was you just telling me what I should be doing?

[Monna]

Killer pics Io

[Imnotgoing Sideways]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl6fyhZ0G5E

[kita_dawg]

Ask and ye shall receive

215C-tadRmk

See the kid sitting in the front row, arms crossed, either bored out of his skull or too horrified for emotion, watching the people act like monkeys?

Ya, that was me at church when I was a kid.

[prinţesă nina]

in 'my' church, people were into the holy ghost, speaking in tongues, and all the accompanying theatrics, although the dancing was not permitted.
no shit, dancing was considered a sin.See the kid sitting in the front row, arms crossed, either bored out of his skull or too horrified for emotion, watching the people act like monkeys?

Ya, that was me at church when I was a kid.

[Forest]

Then again, you don't know if the whole planet is dead, you only know that the US is wiped out. That is why he is on the road, hoping there is something, somewhere.

It's not something I took literally, anyway. It was... mythic.

Kind of like the book of Mormon? We've come full circle!

[Io Zeno]

Mormons shmormons.

Cormac McCarthy is a great writer, a National Book Award winner and I will fight anyone to the death with sharp pointy things to defend his honor.

:die:

:p

[Io Zeno]

His books are often myths, parables, in The Road the characters didn't even have names, fer chrissakes. It's not Issac Asimov.


:fist:

[Vengence Opus]

His books are often myths, parables, in The Road the characters didn't even have names, fer chrissakes. It's not Issac Asimov.


:fist:

:noexpression:

This thread is now about silly undergarments.

http://hiscrivener.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/mormon-holy-underwear.jpg

[GradyE]

:noexpression:

This thread is now about silly undergarments.

http://hiscrivener.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/mormon-holy-underwear.jpg

Fundamentally, it always was. :)

[Mulch]

can we at least make fun of the snake handler religion?

[Io Zeno]

can we at least make fun of the snake handler religion?

No way, those fuckers are hardcore.

[Ishina]

can we at least make fun of the snake handler religion?

Sure. We have to make fun of all religions equally and fairly (even though some religions are blatantly more retarded than others) so as not to show discrimination and offend the sensibilities of the infantile knee-jerk do-gooder brigade.

[Trout]

I don't think that Trout went as far as that Luc, I'm pretty sure he left it at the pics .........










:D

Damnit! She's on to me!

[Surreal]

Excuse me, who are you again? Was you just telling me what I should be doing?

An atheist whose sick of the knee-jerk "look at the funny clothes" response while meanwhile zealot fucks are stealing the school, judicial and political system.

But by all mean, continue wanking off.

[Ishina]

An atheist whose sick of the knee-jerk "look at the funny clothes" response while meanwhile zealot fucks are stealing the school, judicial and political system.

But by all mean, continue wanking off.What the fuck are you doing about it, Surreal? Apart from moaning about it and crawling up my arse on a forum?

I’m at a protest in a couple of weeks against Sharia and religious laws here in UK, for what its worth. It’s a cause close to my heart for various reasons. As well as a march outside the Iranian embassy for a show of solidarity with the people of Iran who are right now spilling blood for something so precious and elusive as ‘freedom’ - where gays don’t have the luxury of mere homophobia, but instead get the pleasure of full Sharia justice. Where protestors get shot, or thrown in jail and their families never hear from them again. Where they dig open graves ahead of time for the protestors they plan to kill.

I posted about this here on SC and on SLU too, with links to petitions and links to further information for anyone to help if they are so inclined. Did you get chance to read any of it at all? Did you sign those petitions?

Its not much, you might say. Anyone can make noise, wave banners, rally support, get a few signatories here and there, push causes and petitions and appeals, put a few hours in, lick a few envelopes, yadda yadda. And of course there are many many many other issues that need to be dealt with. But I’m finding ways to help where I can. I want to do more. I want to get involved. I want to make changes in my country. Talk is cheap, Surreal. I have plenty of energy for this and do my part. If you pay for my airfare, I’ll come march against your zealot fucks in America too. Or are you already doing that?

You can fight these fights too if you like, Surreal. So don’t tell me what I should be doing, unless you have some solid advice to offer drawn from your wealth of experience on these issues. I’d sure appreciate it. You could have also used this thread to expose the homophobic side of Mormonism if you felt that strongly about it instead of paying lip service to it for a little bit of internet kudos. Why didn’t you?

I can’t fight all the fights. What I can do, however, is pop onto a forum during my coffee breaks and spare time and have ‘silly fun’. I can make silly threads about silly jokes about silly myths and petty shit like that. And I can laugh at some historical guy who thought he was a prophet, and have a giggle at people who believe in the Mormon brand of bullshit, in a casual, dumb-fun kinda way. And yeah its petty and yeah its silly, but so fucking what? Really, so fucking what? Pretty much all of the content on this forum is petty and silly. People are more than welcome to mock my (lack of) belief in superstition and supernatural entities. I encourage it.

What I can also do is raise my middle finger and offer it firmly into your self-righteous killjoy face. Respect is for people, not beliefs. You know what you can do if you don’t like that.

[Phoenix Psaltery]

all religions are made up out of whole-cloth and all are preposterous.

That's not true!

I have met a deity in the flesh. She's even spent the night at our house.

Now if you'll excuse me, please, I have to get back to praying to Surreal.

:angel2:

P2

[Atra Lupis]

There is one thing I have never understood .... How can you be an Atheist when the very word denotes that you are without belief? To be without belief would mean that you do not even believe in .... Nothing.

Put another way, your theology centers around a lack of Theology.

[Surreal]

What the fuck are you doing about it, Surreal? Apart from moaning about it and crawling up my arse on a forum?.....

I'll give you a buzz in 30 years when your resume on human rights catches up sweetie.

What I can also do is raise my middle finger and offer it firmly into your self-righteous killjoy face. Respect is for people, not beliefs. You know what you can do if you don’t like that.

Yeah... you're so loaded with respect for people.

:rotflmao:

[Surreal]

There is one thing I have never understood .... How can you be an Atheist when the very word denotes that you are without belief? To be without belief would mean that you do not even believe in .... Nothing.

Put another way, your theology centers around a lack of Theology.

Absence of theology centers around nothing.

[Ishina]

I'll give you a buzz in 30 years when your resume on human rights catches up sweetie.

Yeah... you're so loaded with respect for people.

:rotflmao:You remind me of the woman in this clip:

aKqqGX0DEMM

You didn't even make an attempt to address my post, so I dunno why I'm treating your reply with any merit. But what are you even objecting to here? What have I said that you disagree with? And does your objection go out to everyone in this thread who thinks Mormon belief is a pile of exploitative bullshit?

I'm trying to get a handle on what you are complaining about. Enlighten me.

[Surreal]

You remind me of the woman in this clip:

...

You didn't even make an attempt to address my post, so I dunno why I'm treating your reply with any merit. But what are you even objecting to here? What have I said that you disagree with? And does your objection go out to everyone in this thread who thinks Mormon belief is a pile of exploitative bullshit?

I'm trying to get a handle on what you are complaining about. Enlighten me.

Not watching the video either.... unless it will help me memorize all the bones in the skeleton, which is what I'm studying right now.

Which post? The ones you make over and over where you make it clear that you think any and all religions are exploitative bullshit and believers are deluded fucks? That horse is beaten to a skeleton. I don't have a dog in that fight, but it gets really old.

*shrug* I doubt you could hate the LDS Church more that I do, but the poking fun and laughing gets in the way of doing something about their real threat... regardless of how good it makes you feel.

More UTB fodder than OT.

[Ishina]

There is one thing I have never understood .... How can you be an Atheist when the very word denotes that you are without belief?

I don’t claim to speak for other Atheists. But for me, there is pride in separating myself from the religions of the world and calling myself an Atheist. Atheism isn't a science or theology. It's just a mindset - that none of the gods so far presented are worth believing in. I don’t relate to any of the religions currently in this world, disagree wholeheartedly and often furiously with practically all their dogma and philosophies, so why would I label myself anything other than Atheist? For me, the word symbolises a disconnect from these religions. I think the fact that Atheism isnt a religion is what gives it its power. There is a certain amount of dignity and a sense of individuality - Freedom. Religion is for cattle. Herding Atheists would be like herding cats.

I don’t have the energy to pretend to emphasise with moderate easy-living religious folk who see their dogmatic faith systems as an ‘alternative lifestyle choice‘, nor will I ever muster even an ounce of pity or respect for the purist religious folk who are a lethal enemy to my way of life. I want a religion-free experience on this earth.

To be without belief would mean that you do not even believe in .... Nothing.

No, it simply means I believe what I see, what I can feel and hold, what I can taste and hear. What can be claimed without proof can be rejected without proof.

Life doesn't have to be lonely or empty without gods. My life certainly isn't. My life was much more lonely and isolated and hopeless with God. My heaven is living and breathing in this world right now. What difference does it make to view the world through the tinted spectacles of religion? Why can’t the living, material, tangible world be magnificent enough for us? It's fucking gorgeous! Who the fuck needs a heaven anyway? I see a natural, mortal, finite world and I am filled with strength, inspiration, hope, love, and an unquenchable desire to make the most of every second on this earth. The only God I ever knew seemed intent to deny me all of that.

Put another way, your theology centers around a lack of Theology.

I have no theology, so it doesn’t center on anything. Theology signifies a spirituality based on myth and superstition, or what is holy, or what is preached by the anointed. My idea of spirituality is a more broader concept, an alchemy of morals and principles rooted in my own personal experiences and conscience, as well as the excitement of having unanswered questions to ask and not being afraid of not knowing. No fear of the unknown, but fulfilment in an uncertain and ever changing world, for better or worse.

Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful, without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?
~ Douglas Adams

[Tormie Baarer]

Ishina is fucking beautiful.

[Ishina]

Not watching the video either.... unless it will help me memorize all the bones in the skeleton, which is what I'm studying right now.
I'll just scim over your posts then too, and reply anyway. I'm too preoccupied and busy and popular, and too crazysexycool to read your posts, so I'll just comment on their existance rather than try and put a modicum of effort into an honest reply.

Which post? The ones you make over and over where you make it clear that you think any and all religions are exploitative bullshit and believers are deluded fucks? That horse is beaten to a skeleton. I don't have a dog in that fight, but it gets really old.


This post:

What the fuck are you doing about it, Surreal? Apart from moaning about it and crawling up my arse on a forum?

I’m at a protest in a couple of weeks against Sharia and religious laws here in UK, for what its worth. It’s a cause close to my heart for various reasons. As well as a march outside the Iranian embassy for a show of solidarity with the people of Iran who are right now spilling blood for something so precious and elusive as ‘freedom’ - where gays don’t have the luxury of mere homophobia, but instead get the pleasure of full Sharia justice. Where protestors get shot, or thrown in jail and their families never hear from them again. Where they dig open graves ahead of time for the protestors they plan to kill.

I posted about this here on SC and on SLU too, with links to petitions and links to further information for anyone to help if they are so inclined. Did you get chance to read any of it at all? Did you sign those petitions?

Its not much, you might say. Anyone can make noise, wave banners, rally support, get a few signatories here and there, push causes and petitions and appeals, put a few hours in, lick a few envelopes, yadda yadda. And of course there are many many many other issues that need to be dealt with. But I’m finding ways to help where I can. I want to do more. I want to get involved. I want to make changes in my country. Talk is cheap, Surreal. I have plenty of energy for this and do my part. If you pay for my airfare, I’ll come march against your zealot fucks in America too. Or are you already doing that?

You can fight these fights too if you like, Surreal. So don’t tell me what I should be doing, unless you have some solid advice to offer drawn from your wealth of experience on these issues. I’d sure appreciate it. You could have also used this thread to expose the homophobic side of Mormonism if you felt that strongly about it instead of paying lip service to it for a little bit of internet kudos. Why didn’t you?

I can’t fight all the fights. What I can do, however, is pop onto a forum during my coffee breaks and spare time and have ‘silly fun’. I can make silly threads about silly jokes about silly myths and petty shit like that. And I can laugh at some historical guy who thought he was a prophet, and have a giggle at people who believe in the Mormon brand of bullshit, in a casual, dumb-fun kinda way. And yeah its petty and yeah its silly, but so fucking what? Really, so fucking what? Pretty much all of the content on this forum is petty and silly. People are more than welcome to mock my (lack of) belief in superstition and supernatural entities. I encourage it.

What I can also do is raise my middle finger and offer it firmly into your self-righteous killjoy face. Respect is for people, not beliefs. You know what you can do if you don’t like that.

If it's TL;DR, I've highlighted the parts for you to read and grace with your precious consideration.

[Surreal]

I started to type a response, but you know... I can't be bothered. This is how you get your jollies, and I don't share your taste in fun.

I already had read post you quoted and replied as I saw fit. If you want a different reply, type it yourself.

[Monna]

http://thetruthandlight.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/satanizm_satanist11.jpg

I think I could do some black magic with her

[Ishina]

I started to type a response, but you know... I can't be bothered. This is how you get your jollies, and I don't share your taste in fun.

Roll over and play dead then. Or just skip along. But don't pull me over unless you've got the integrity to see it through.

[Io Zeno]

How about those Blackhawks.

[Lucifer Baphomet]

How about those Blackhawks.

I hear they went down in Mogadishu

[Surreal]

Roll over and play dead then. Or just skip along. But don't pull me over unless you've got the integrity to see it through.

Listen you stupid bitch. I was out marching for civil rights, women's rights and gay and lesbian rights when you were still pissing your nappies and your self-aggrandizing righteousness neither impresses nor amuses.

I've had a fucking cross burned on my lawn, have been the target of death threats, and spent many a pleasant hour dealing with anonymous hate mail and phone calls.

But go on with your har-har ... look at the funny propaganda piece.

Frankly, you're part of the problem. All your "respect for persons" seems to forget that there are people reading this forum who aren't laughing as you spread exaggerations about their belief systems. You have the same black/white approach as the most hard-core zealot.

Personally, I don't believe and I don't 'get' why people do believe. But unless their beliefs are harming me, I don't treat people with contempt simply because they believe things I find silly or don't understand.

That evident contempt, and posture of superiority that you slather all over the place, makes it very difficult to ally with people against harmful beliefs.

So carry on with your 'feel good' posturing while the people who do the real work, the pragmatic work will fortunately soldier on, mostly un-sung.

[Surreal]

And how ironic that myself, someone who really dislikes organized religion, root and branch, and who has dealt with some appalling personal religion-related shit, should have to actually defend a religious person's right to believe whatever they like, no matter how silly it seems to me, provided it harms none.

What a farce.

I've got school and a rapidly increasing apathy-for-forums quotient.

[Ishina]

Yes, anger! Use it!

That 'posturing' was a reply to you directly, Surreal, to try and get you to fucking step up and actually honestly say what your problem with me was. Honestly, what the fuck are you complaining about? I'm not even the worst offender in this thread. And you're agreeing with me on all the important points. Whats the problem?

I just think it’s even more delicious that you are trying to claim me laughing at Mormon belief is a crime against human rights. I’m genuinely curious about the logic behind that.

You're all over the place. You're not even saying anything. You're just apologising for people who believe in the unbelievable. If it wasn't a religion, it would be a free-for-all, fair game. The difference is, I don't revere religion as some mystical untouchable thing that we cant laugh at or criticise, and I don't believe in blasphemy.

No work of fiction is exempt from mockery and criticism, no matter how many people believe it to be a work of fact.

[Vivianne Draper]

Yes, anger! Use it!

That 'posturing' was a reply to you directly, Surreal, to try and get you to fucking step up and actually honestly say what your problem with me was. Honestly, what the fuck are you complaining about? I'm not even the worst offender in this thread. And you're agreeing with me on all the important points. Whats the problem?

I just think it’s even more delicious that you are trying to claim me laughing at Mormon belief is a crime against human rights. I’m genuinely curious about the logic behind that.

You're all over the place. You're not even saying anything. You're just apologising for people who believe in the unbelievable. If it wasn't a religion, it would be a free-for-all, fair game. The difference is, I don't revere religion as some mystical untouchable thing that we cant laugh at or criticise, and I don't believe in blasphemy.

No work of fiction is exempt from mockery and criticism, no matter how many people believe it to be a work of fact.


orly?

[Ishina]

And how ironic that myself, someone who really dislikes organized religion, root and branch, and who has dealt with some appalling personal religion-related shit, should have to actually defend a religious person's right to believe whatever they like, no matter how silly it seems to me, provided it harms none.


Yes? And? What's stopping them believing?

[TANK]

http://www.wristwatchreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/CatFight.gif

[Dale Innis]

There is one thing I have never understood .... How can you be an Atheist when the very word denotes that you are without belief?

Um? No, it doesn't.

"Atheist" doesn't mean "without belief". It means without ("ἀ"), theos ("θεός"), without God. Not sure where you got "without belief"; are you mistaking "θεός" for "πίστη" or something?

It would indeed be hard to be without any belief at all, but atheists do believe all sorts of things. Gods are just not any of them.

imho it's no harder to understand how someone can be an atheist than to understand how someone can be an aunicornist. :)

Put another way, your theology centers around a lack of Theology.

No, atheist theology centers about a lack of gods (of θεός), not about a lack of theology.

A subtle but important difference!

Just like an aunicornist's Unicornology centers around, not a lack of Unicornology, but just a lack of Unicorns...

[Dale Innis]

And how ironic that myself, someone who really dislikes organized religion, root and branch, and who has dealt with some appalling personal religion-related shit, should have to actually defend a religious person's right to believe whatever they like, no matter how silly it seems to me, provided it harms none.

What a farce.

I've got school and a rapidly increasing apathy-for-forums quotient.

Man, for two people who seem to believe about the same things, you two are really goin' at it hammer an' tongs. :)

Where did anyone attack anyone's right to believe whatever they like?

Pointing and laughing at someone for believing silly stuff isn't an attack on their right to believe it...

[Cocoanut Koala]

I will stop reading here, as I want to comment on this post.

But first, I want to say I'm amazed that anyone is ragging on you for ragging on religions. If there's anything I've learned in my five years in SL and on SL-related forums, it is that making fun of religion is practically a protected sport. And if you express discomfort with it, you get it back twice as hard!

(Well, regarding Christian religions anyway.)

Anyway, some comments I'd like to offer to your post:

I don’t claim to speak for other Atheists. But for me, there is pride in separating myself from the religions of the world and calling myself an Atheist. Atheism isn't a science or theology. It's just a mindset - that none of the gods so far presented are worth believing in.

This seems so oddly put, to me. I don't think of God as something which is presented, and I'm supposed to choose my preferred presentation thereof; but of the entity I want to know.

Religions are just ways to reach that entity. I want to know God, and to grow my relationship with God. Regardless of which religion it comes wrapped in.

I finally chose Christianity because that's what most of my family had been, and that's what I had known. Culturally, that's what I was.

I don’t relate to any of the religions currently in this world, disagree wholeheartedly and often furiously with practically all their dogma and philosophies, so why would I label myself anything other than Atheist? For me, the word symbolises a disconnect from these religions. I think the fact that Atheism isnt a religion is what gives it its power. There is a certain amount of dignity and a sense of individuality - Freedom. Religion is for cattle.

Not if one freely and thoughtfully (and at length) chooses the religion.

Life doesn't have to be lonely or empty without gods. My life certainly isn't. My life was much more lonely and isolated and hopeless with God.

So once you were religious? And it was an unhappy experience?

My heaven is living and breathing in this world right now. What difference does it make to view the world through the tinted spectacles of religion? Why can’t the living, material, tangible world be magnificent enough for us? It's fucking gorgeous!

It is.

Who the fuck needs a heaven anyway?

I hope and pray for one, but I don't exactly count on it.

I see a natural, mortal, finite world and I am filled with strength, inspiration, hope, love, and an unquenchable desire to make the most of every second on this earth. The only God I ever knew seemed intent to deny me all of that.

The God I know and talk to never denied me any of that. But instead, helps me to become better at those things. So I guess it kind of all depends on what your religious experience has been.

But to me, God isn't terribly tethered to a particular religion in the first place.

I have no theology, so it doesn’t center on anything. Theology signifies a spirituality based on myth and superstition, or what is holy, or what is preached by the anointed.

Depends on how literally you take everything. The THOUGHT of the coat has more reality than the coat itself. (Harking back to an illuminating dream I once had.)

Thoughts, emotions, electrical energy - as real if not more real than the physical. Things you can't touch - often more powerful than those you can.

My idea of spirituality is a more broader concept, an alchemy of morals and principles rooted in my own personal experiences and conscience, as well as the excitement of having unanswered questions to ask and not being afraid of not knowing. No fear of the unknown, but fulfilment in an uncertain and ever changing world, for better or worse.

That sounds to me like a pretty good way of looking at it.

Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful, without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?
~ Douglas Adams

Some assume one "has" to believe in things (God). Or gets herded into believing them. Yet for others, one can believe in things simply because of one's own experience with them.

:coco:

[Cherish]

OH holy fuck... Mormons are among the nicest people that I have ever met... and some of them are quite sexy and dress better then most people do... If there is every a catastropy and we run out of food, all I have to do is walk across the street because I know that they will share theirs with me...

[Io Zeno]

OH holy fuck... Mormons are among the nicest people that I have ever met... and some of them are quite sexy and dress better then most people do... If there is every a catastropy and we run out of food, all I have to do is walk across the street because I know that they will share theirs with me...

They've gotten to her!

Call the deprogrammer, stat!

[Cherish]

They've gotten to her!

Call the deprogrammer, stat!

Please!!!!!!!

[Io Zeno]

Well, you do know that before 1978 blacks were not allowed to be priests in the Mormon church.

/throws wrench at thread and runs giggling

[23rdDjin]

Well, you do know that before 1978 blacks were not allowed to be priests in the Mormon church.

/throws wrench at thread and runs giggling
as a somewhat related aside (http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/blackmormon/singles.html)

and, remember:
The GOOD NEWS for you is that they are:

*Active Mormons
*Not terribly PICKY!
*Desperate to get out of their home country and go to the U.S., Canada, or Britain!

(i can't seem to stop laughing about the second piece of "good news"... not the best endorsement for any site of this nature)

[Imnotgoing Sideways]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERbvKrH-GC4

[Bard Jameson]

I want a religion-free experience on this earth.


You might as well ask the sun to not rise in the morning ;)

While I don't label myself an atheist, I probably fit the bill. Or maybe I'm one of those wishy-wash agnostics. I don't know. But I do know this - I can walk into any church, temple, mosque, ashram or whatever (if they let me in, that is) and go through the motions and sing the songs or mouth the prayers and enjoy the architecture and get upset at the sermon, etc.etc. etc. All the while I do so I am not in one whit convinced of the particular religion's tenets, nor completely dismissive of what might be one or more central tenets of that sect that may have some value to human existence.

In short, I am not bothered by religion per se. I have only one complaint - and that is the introduction of religious tenets (not "concepts", mind you, "Thou shalt not kill" is a pretty hard religiously created concept to argue against) into secular law that applies to all persons in a society. That is my one beef, and one that I fight assiduously.

Beyond that...if the natives rub blue mud in their bellies, and I want to hang with the natives, I will rub blue mud in my belly just as solemnly as they. It harms me not one iota. And i some cases, it creates peace where I could choose to create war.

[prinţesă nina]

except that 'thou shalt not kill' was the law of pharoahs and caesars long before it was gods law.
In short, I am not bothered by religion per se. I have only one complaint - and that is the introduction of religious tenets (not "concepts", mind you, "Thou shalt not kill" is a pretty hard religiously created concept to argue against) into secular law that applies to all persons in a society. That is my one beef, and one that I fight assiduously.

[Forest]

except that 'thou shalt not kill' was the law of pharoahs and caesars long before it was gods law.

The Pharos WERE gods

[Surreal]

Yes, anger! Use it!

First apologies for name calling. I'm tired and stressed, but I can use big words to call you names instead of short, expletive ones. :)

That 'posturing' was a reply to you directly, Surreal, to try and get you to fucking step up and actually honestly say what your problem with me was. Honestly, what the fuck are you complaining about? I'm not even the worst offender in this thread. And you're agreeing with me on all the important points. Whats the problem?

I was pondering it between learning more than I ever wanted to know about mitosis.

You're an idealist, and idealists IMO are like loaded guns. They care more for ideals (that usually only work in clean rooms) than people and when they put their ideals in practice, it doesn't matter who gets ground up in the process because any opposition, no matter how mild, becomes demonized.

In short, I think you're a bigot and a fanatic and the only difference between you and the people you despise is the target.

As best as I can tell from your posting history, your "respect for people" really means "people who think just like I do."

Pat Condell you're not.


I just think it’s even more delicious that you are trying to claim me laughing at Mormon belief is a crime against human rights. I’m genuinely curious about the logic behind that.

Since I never said that, and don't believe that, I'd suggest you check your erroneous logic chain.

You're all over the place. You're not even saying anything. You're just apologising for people who believe in the unbelievable. If it wasn't a religion, it would be a free-for-all, fair game. The difference is, I don't revere religion as some mystical untouchable thing that we cant laugh at or criticise, and I don't believe in blasphemy.

The difference between what... obviously not me, since I've gotten lambasted for critiquing religious beliefs and organizations. Maybe you're thinking of someone else?

I'm not apologizing for anyone. I'm saying that your broad-brush attack, which appears to be focused on a specific belief set (i.e. I don't see you attacking the whacky non-religious things people believe) is an obstacle to changing what people do.

And bottom line, I care about what people DO, not what they believe.

No work of fiction is exempt from mockery and criticism, no matter how many people believe it to be a work of fact.

Mock all you like. It's boring, but whatever gets you off.

[Surreal]

Um? No, it doesn't.

"Atheist" doesn't mean "without belief". It means without ("ἀ"), theos ("θεός"), without God. Not sure where you got "without belief"; are you mistaking "θεός" for "πίστη" or something?

hawt!

[Surreal]

Pointing and laughing at someone for believing silly stuff isn't an attack on their right to believe it...

True... I'm just having a stressful week and the dead horse is DEAD DEAD DEAD ... fuck it's a skeletal zombie and out biting other horses.

[Surreal]

Beyond that...if the natives rub blue mud in their bellies, and I want to hang with the natives, I will rub blue mud in my belly just as solemnly as they. It harms me not one iota. And i some cases, it creates peace where I could choose to create war.

Somebody's been reading Heinlein.

[Forest]

Quick Surreal, how many meta tarsals are there?

[Ishina]

Just... I'm lost for words.

I posted a cartoon. I shouldn't have. I will never post cartoons ever again.

I am deeply sorry for any disturbance in the Force, or any upset and hurt to the fragile Mormon belief I might have caused.

[Cocoanut Koala]

I don't know how or when SC turned into opposite world.

I've been putting up with mocking of my religion on this forum, and SCI before it, for ages now, and nobody ever lifted an eyebrow.

Now all of a sudden we are piling on Ishina for engaging in the same forum tradition?

Why?

:coco:

[Ishina]

except that 'thou shalt not kill' was the law of pharoahs and caesars long before it was gods law.

I think ‘thou shalt not kill’ was a commandment written into the heart and mind of the first Neanderthal who thought they’d see what happens when they throw a rock at their companions head.

[Surreal]

Quick Surreal, how many meta tarsals are there?

Die in a fire!!!!!

:hissyfit:

[Cocoanut Koala]

10, right? Five per foot?

[Ishina]

Now all of a sudden we are piling on Ishina for engaging in the same forum tradition?



Thanks :)

But it's just Surreal having a meltdown and Vivi doing the usual routine, not really a pile on.

Though I do encourage it somewhat, I honestly didn't expect this kind of reaction just from posting a cartoon. I thought there would be shits and giggles, but not a complete breakdown over a complete non-issue.

[Bard Jameson]

Somebody's been reading Heinlein.

Yes, over 30 years ago and it still impresses me.

Just the fact that you recognize that obscure reference impresses me too.

I want to have your babies ;)

[Envoy Costagravas]

I want to have your babies ;)
She got rid of her babies in the packing frenzy. You could probably have some of the DVD boxes she's tossing out.

[Dale Innis]

...
some stuff, mostly Greek etymology
...

The following user disagrees:
Atra Lupis

Care to elaborate? You got a different derivation for "atheist", or you see a more significant different between not believing in gods and not believing in unicorns, or...?

[Lucifer Baphomet]

The following user disagrees:
Atra Lupis

Care to elaborate? You got a different derivation for "atheist", or you see a more significant different between not believing in gods and not believing in unicorns, or...?

Here's a unicorn

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/r/rhinoceros-8767.jpg

(well technically it's its relative... as it has been postulated that the unicorn may have been remnant populations of Wooly Rhinos. Then of course, Marco Polo saw a unicorn in Java..... of course, that was actually a Javan Rhinoceros)

But anyway, anyone who claims Unicorns don't or never existed has obviously never heard of Rhinocerii.

[Bunnie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qDsqPaJht0

[Lain (is Bams)]

HAHAHA that brings back a nightmare scene from that Van Wilder movie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfLPnN_YMMM

Just fucking wrong. :(

:bong:

[Lain (is Bams)]

Jeez there were triple posts what in the hell.... the nightmare I brought upon us :freakout:

My bad proxy must be F'in me up. :bong:

[Lain (is Bams)]

Goddamn double post bullshit. ARGH!

[Atra Lupis]

My disagreement comes more from what I have heard Atheists claim.

Atheism is - to some - an absence of belief or Theology.

I simply get a bit of a chuckle out of it - "I do not believe. I am a creature of Science!"

"So .... you believe that you do not believe?"

"Ye- wait, what?"

[Dale Innis]

My disagreement comes more from what I have heard Atheists claim.

Atheism is - to some - an absence of belief or Theology.

I simply get a bit of a chuckle out of it - "I do not believe. I am a creature of Science!"

"So .... you believe that you do not believe?"

"Ye- wait, what?"

Oh yeah, there are wacky evangelical devout Atheists also. They are also pretty funny. :)

I agree anyone who says "I have no beliefs, only facts!", or other words to that effect, probably hasn't thought it through nearly enough...

[Govi]

Give him a dictionary, someone, please. I'm too tired. :sleep:

Oh, already done. Well, then, somebody make him read it!

[Joy Honey]

Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god

[Trout]

Here's a unicorn

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/r/rhinoceros-8767.jpg

(well technically it's its relative... as it has been postulated that the unicorn may have been remnant populations of Wooly Rhinos. Then of course, Marco Polo saw a unicorn in Java..... of course, that was actually a Javan Rhinoceros)

But anyway, anyone who claims Unicorns don't or never existed has obviously never heard of Rhinocerii.

Bicorn.

There are two.

Please commence with the "bi" jokes.

[Jorus]

Thanks :)

But it's just Surreal having a meltdown and Vivi doing the usual routine, not really a pile on.

Though I do encourage it somewhat, I honestly didn't expect this kind of reaction just from posting a cartoon. I thought there would be shits and giggles, but not a complete breakdown over a complete non-issue.

Did not follow the protocol for a meltdown. Heated to be sure.

[Ishina]

Did not follow the protocol for a meltdown. Heated to be sure.

Still, much ado about nothing.

[Mulch]

spider Bingo :bump: