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Spaceman Opus
09-25-2010, 01:42 AM
EDIT: OK, turns out I mixed up the definitions of longer vs. shorter (gimme a break, I'm sick as hell)...switch longer with shorter in all of my posts in this thread (not the quotes, they're right...just my addenda).

As in; if you live 1 foot above sea level, you'll live 90 billionths of a second longer than someone living at sea level.

Ultraprecise clock helps cut relativity down to size (http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-relativity-20100925,0,7205568.story)
Scientists show that Einstein's famous theory works at a down-to-Earth scale.

Among the oft-repeated predictions of Albert Einstein's famous theory of relativity is that if a twin travels through the cosmos on a high-speed rocket, when he returns to Earth he will be noticeably younger than the twin who stayed home.

Now physicists have demonstrated that the same is true even if the traveling twin is merely driving in a car about 20 mph. But in that case, when the twin gets home from the grocery store, he is only a tiny fraction of a nanosecond younger, according to a report in Friday's edition of the journal Science.

The reverse is often said to be true for a twin who spends time high on a mountaintop; general relativity predicts that time passes more quickly at greater altitudes because objects don't feel Earth's gravity quite as strongly. But the physicists found that a twin who lives just about a foot above sea level will age ever-so-slightly faster than a twin living at sea level.

In its paper, the team reported that the second hand of a clock positioned about two-thirds of a mile above an identical clock near Earth's surface will speed up only enough to tick out three extra seconds over the course of a million years.

Chou and his colleagues were able to observe an even smaller time dilation — in clocks separated by a just a foot — because they built a precise timepiece.

Their atomic clock, which would fill a large dining room table, works by calibrating the frequency of a laser to that of an aluminum ion. The oscillations of the laser are the equivalent of a traditional clock's ticks, but they occur far more rapidly — more than a million billion times per second.

That's about 100,000 times as fast as the tick rate of the microwave-based atomic clocks that currently set the time standard in the United States.

"We are able to divide time into finer chunks," Chou said.

In the elevation experiment, the aluminum-based atomic clocks let the researchers measure a difference of approximately 90 billionths of a second over a human's 79-year lifetime.

My city is 482 ft. above sea-level, so I get 43380 billionths of a second longer than sea-level dwellers! Suckers! :neener:

Osprey Therian
09-25-2010, 01:58 AM
And you must use it wisely and for the good of all living beings. You are truly blessed

Govi
09-25-2010, 01:59 AM
You'll live more slowly, thus you won't get more done.

Spaceman Opus
09-25-2010, 02:04 AM
You'll live more slowly, thus you won't get more done.

True, but I'll enjoy it more :)

Govi
09-25-2010, 02:26 AM
You won't know the difference, unless you talk to me. ;)

Tracer Graves
09-25-2010, 02:46 AM
As in; if you live 1 foot above sea level, you'll live 90 billionths of a second longer than someone living at sea level.

Ultraprecise clock helps cut relativity down to size (http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-relativity-20100925,0,7205568.story)
Scientists show that Einstein's famous theory works at a down-to-Earth scale.




My city is 482 ft. above sea-level, so I get 43380 billionths of a second longer than sea-level dwellers! Suckers! :neener:

So does this mean if I'm late for work, that I can blame my elevation?

But boss, it takes me 42 billionths of a second longer to commute!

Spaceman Opus
09-25-2010, 03:26 AM
You won't know the difference, unless you talk to me. ;)

I already know it's happening, so I will know the difference.

I may not notice it, due to the length, but I know it's there, and I say I'm enjoying a larger quantity of time than you are :neener:

Govi
09-25-2010, 12:17 PM
I already know it's happening, so I will know the difference.

I may not notice it, due to the length, but I know it's there, and I say I'm enjoying a larger quantity of time than you are :neener:

We live just above 1000'. :catwink:



























Even if the time dilation difference between us were 50% (as it might be near the intense gravitational field of a black hole, supposing we could live there), if you measured your life by heart beats, for example, you would get no more heart beats than I, all things being equal (health, gender, etc.). If we had tea somewhere, your altitude or mine, moving to the same time dilation situation, you having had fewer heartbeats would mean that you had more beats before death than I. But because you had been moving more slowly in all respects, not just heart beats, you got less done during your period of fewer heart beats than I did in my period of more heart beats.

JohnnyVann
09-25-2010, 12:29 PM
We live just above 1000'. :catwink:


Really? I didn't realize Santa Cruz was so high. I'm in East Oakland and I'm only about 300ft

Lucifer Baphomet
09-25-2010, 12:34 PM
You've got it backwards Spacey, the lower you are in a gravity well, the higher the time dilation, and the larger the gravity well, the more extreme that time dilation will be.

K

Think of Andromeda, Dylan Hunt and the Andromeda were at the edge of that black hole, for seconds by his reckoning, and while there thousands of years passed in the rest of the Commonwealth of Worlds.

see?

Govi
09-25-2010, 12:46 PM
Really? I didn't realize Santa Cruz was so high. I'm in East Oakland and I'm only about 300ft

We're in the Santa Cruz mountains, about 5 miles north of Santa Cruz. I drive downtown 3 or 4 times per week. We're above the fog most of the time, surrounded in a sea of white mist with the Monterey headlands in view across the fog-covered Monterey Bay. Google maps terrain view puts us above the 1000' topographic line.

Oryx Tempel
09-25-2010, 01:22 PM
Luc's right.... you've got it backwards.. the article says you'll age FASTER the higher you are. You'll be an old doddering fool before those of us at sea level. :P

Spaceman Opus
09-25-2010, 02:24 PM
Whoops, you're right....

Well then I'll die quicker and happier cuz I'll have to spend less time on this godforsaken rock than the rest of you :neener:

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Bard Jameson
09-25-2010, 02:31 PM
Whoops, you're right....

Well then I'll die quicker and happier cuz I'll have to spend less time on this godforsaken rock than the rest of you :neener:



Way to look at the bright side, Space :thumbsup:

My place is ~1700 ft - will you come to my funeral, about 50,000 billionths of a second before you croak? :D

Richard Waveington
09-26-2010, 12:35 PM
no wonder the people in amsterdam are so fucking slow to do everything... they even have a word for it!

Gezellig!